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Jan 30^th, 2007 at 3:18am

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Before buying Vista, read this!
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/01/29/no_clean_installs_with_vista_upgrade_dis...

MR Bill is making things difficult for us again!

It seems you wiil not be able to do a clean install of VISTA with the upgrade vers of VISTA.

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Microsoft now requires end users to have a genuine Windows installation before allowing an upgrade to Vista from inside the activated copy of Windows XP or Windows 2000

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Reply #1 - Jan 30^th, 2007 at 6:38am

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Old news....(yawn)

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Reply #2 - Jan 30^th, 2007 at 7:17am

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That's not good...

Considering the fact that a Vista upgrade probably means a MAJOR hardware upgrade too..

They're going to make you put XP on your brand new, dual-core motherboard/CPU and then activate it before you can upgrade to Vista ?

Egad....

All of the sudden, LINUX and X-plane don't look so bad Tongue

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(I'm kidding of course, but it felt good to type that)

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Reply #3 - Jan 30^th, 2007 at 11:24am

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Keep It Simple wrote on Jan 30^th, 2007 at 3:18am:

MR Bill is making things difficult for us again!

It seems you wiil not be able to do a clean install of VISTA with the upgrade vers of VISTA

Isn't that the point of an "upgrade"?

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Reply #4 - Jan 30^th, 2007 at 1:06pm

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Mobius wrote on Jan 30^th, 2007 at 11:24am:

Keep It Simple wrote on Jan 30^th, 2007 at 3:18am:

MR Bill is making things difficult for us again!

It seems you wiil not be able to do a clean install of VISTA with the upgrade vers of VISTA

Isn't that the point of an "upgrade"?

Perhaps.......
However, in the past, a WIN upgrade simply ment that you got a discount for having a previous version of the software and were still allow to use the previous vers.
Now you can't use the previous vers.

Wether this is right or wrong, people are buying the VISTA upgrade without knowing this and are in for a rude suprise. The new upgrade procedures should be made perfectly clear up front for the general public but, I undrestand it isn't.

Bottim line, the upgrade version of VISTA is not a money saver if it also cancels out your copy of XP and MS should make this perfectly clear so people can make an informed decision about what version to purchase.

I suspect that many people would pass on VISTA it they knew that to keep their XP install on another sys, they would either have to buy the full vers of VISTA or, buy another copy of XP.
Let' not loose site of the fact that VIStA is an expensive OS.

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Reply #5 - Jan 30^th, 2007 at 1:35pm

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Where does it say it cancels out your previous version of Windows?

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Reply #6 - Jan 30^th, 2007 at 1:44pm

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Mobius wrote on Jan 30^th, 2007 at 1:35pm:

Where does it say it cancels out your previous version of Windows?

To use the VISTA upgrade, you have to first install XP and activate it.
Legally you can't activate it on a second sys if it is still installed on another sys.

This brings up anothe issue.
It you are building a whole new VISTA sys with different hardware. you will most likely have trouble activating XP on it and will have to do that PITA telephone activation which wiil cancel. out your old install.

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Reply #7 - Jan 30^th, 2007 at 1:52pm

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Seems MS loves to make a hard time to everyone again ,I think I'll stay with winxp, besides I think I don't have enough PC to use it,

what are the minimun specs for vista?, 1 terabyte Ram 3gz video memory 126bitsa at 600X, a Un-Invented prosesor double tripled core of 50ghz and sure 20 terabytes of hard disc space?.. Angry

Angry

BTW Vista means "To see" and I guess to see How much money your about to spend...

and I'm sure when everyone after make an inversment FSX won't be able top run decenly either on it.. Grin

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Reply #8 - Jan 30^th, 2007 at 2:14pm

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Let's no loose site of the fact that most will want to do a "clean install" on a clean HDD.
For this you will have to get the full ver of VISTA for about $249US!

Now, what was that I heard..... FSX is optimised for XP? Wink

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Reply #9 - Jan 30^th, 2007 at 2:27pm

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Keep It Simple wrote on Jan 30^th, 2007 at 2:14pm:

Now, what was that I heard..... FSX is optimised for XP? Wink

Wink

Shocked

Now you call my attention

It should be ,I'm upset about somethings about MS ,Ill repeat this But many of you Doesn't remember win ME , many when to run for buy it, couple month latter I made a lot of money placing back win98.

FSX ,They release a software with an absurd minimun requirement, for an unexistance DIRECTX 10,and for unnexistance video card (In that moment) In my country that has a name Lips Sealed

Lips Sealed

so They better do something about their own plataforms and games, because who knows one day soon or latter another competition could show anytime it could be cooking by now, a perhaps MS someday will become the 2nd one, with this kind of things

Venezuela

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Reply #10 - Jan 30^th, 2007 at 2:38pm

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Keep It Simple wrote on Jan 30^th, 2007 at 1:44pm:

Mobius wrote on Jan 30^th, 2007 at 1:35pm:

Where does it say it cancels out your previous version of Windows?

To use the VISTA upgrade, you have to first install XP and activate it.
Legally you can't activate it on a second sys if it is still installed on another sys.

Legally, maybe not. In reality, it's what I did. Tongue

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Reply #11 - Jan 30^th, 2007 at 4:24pm

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Yeah, thats with the UPGRADE version of Vista. If you buy a full version, there is nothing stopping you from doing a clean install Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

It's a bit like getting cable and then complaining that you have to buy a TV to plug it into...

Overraction.....? Roll Eyes

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Reply #12 - Jan 30^th, 2007 at 4:48pm

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It used to be that you could use the upgrade version and thus, get a discounted version of the new OS, and it did not matter if the current OS was a valid copy or not. You could rip off someone else Win 98/NT/2000 and put a brand new legally purchased copy of XP in on top of it.

Obviously Microsoft wants to put a stop to that practice.

If you do not have a valid copy of an OS, then you SHOULD have to pay for the full install if you want it.
If you have a valid copy of 2000 or XP, then activate it, and upgrade. Whats the big deal?\

I am not a big M$ booster, but I do accept the fact that M$ is a business, and they are making and distribuing this product for the purpose of turning a profit. Bill Gates may have a charity, Microsoft is not its name.

I also accept that it is not profitable on for a software manufacture to make everything 100% backwards compatible.

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Reply #13 - Jan 31^st, 2007 at 12:48pm

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Here is some really interesting info from MS.
Yes, MS as I read the same info on a different site (I forgot where) and it does indeed come from MS.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5932
It allows you to do a full install of VISTA without XP installed and activated using the upgrade version..

Here is one quote fron the article:
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"Per Microsoft's new licensing requirements for Vista, users are required to install a Windows Vista Upgrade from within Windows XP. When this occurs, the Windows XP license is forfeited and the Windows Vista installation process can take place."

The VISTA licensing requirements are a bit different than previous.

Personally, I don't remember ever reading that your WIN 9x license was " forfeited" when using the XP upgrade.

PS
I suspect that this "workaround" (loophole) will be ended/closed with a SP1 vers of VISTA.

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Reply #14 - Feb 1^st, 2007 at 12:18pm

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So in order to use the VISTA upgrade you have to actually use it to upgrade your OS? I'd be kinda suprised if this WASN'T the case...

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