Well, can you tell I just got this game (3 new threads in about as many days)?

I've wanted it for 7 years, glad I finally got it.  I've played CFS1 over the last 7 years, and I'm experiencing a new problem with CFS2. 

During high G turns, I'll bank the plane over to ~90 degrees and pull back on the stick to bring the nose around (I have g-effects turned off).  The plane will start its turn, and then all of a sudden, the plane will level it's wings and start to pitch up.  Basically, when I pull back on the stick, the plane won't stay in the bank and starts to pitch up instead.  I never had such a problem with CFS1 or any other flight sim I've played.  I've used all three flight model settings and I still get the same thing.  Airspeed also seems to have no effect on it.  I've also check the calibration on my Joystick.

Anyone know what I'm talking about?  Is there some auto-(blank) feature that I can turn off to keep this from happening.  It makes dog fighting very difficult.

Thanks.

What is "AC"?  Is there an "auto-correct" option I don't know about somewhere?

Don't get me wrong, I understand the flight models in CFS2 are a bit more realistic than CFS1.  But I have a pretty firm grasp on aeronautics and the science of flying.

But here is what I don't understand:

1.  plane is in a bank (90 degress, for example)
2.  apply full "up" (or moderate) elevator with no aileron input.
3.  Plane rolls to wings level immediately and pitches upwards.

Like I said,  I can't think of anything that would make this happen.  If anything, this should happen with the very easy flight model selected (someone with little flying experience may expect the plane to "go up" when you pull back on the stick).  But with a realistic flight model, I would think the plane would stay in a bank, or at least not roll to wings level immediately.  I could understand that the wings may eventually level out in a plane with some dihedral.

Is anyone else experiencing the same issue

Does this happen with every plane or just some planes and witch planes does it happen with. You see you have not given us enough information. Another question? Do you have the Auto rudder on or off!

AC stands for Aircraft. Its our way to simplifying things around here.

Do not get frustraded. It will slowly come to you. Before you know it you will be a Ace. You are just going through the learning curve and I and others are more than willing to help through this. This Sim has so much to offer when it come to improvements that there is no way you can do it all at once. Just enjoy the process. We all gone through this. I almost quite on it when I first bought it and glad I did not.
I thought I knew about combat flight only to find out I was wrong and I had to relearn every thing. This Sim will not replicate World war two Arial combat to a tee nor does any other Sim for that matter. Thats simply ridiculous but it will give you a much better understanding feel for it.

James007

P.S. Scroll through this Post from page 1 to the last and you will be able apppreciate all that is offer for this Program through its greater comminity:http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?board=cfs2

Enjoy

Auto-rudder is on the main Settings screen. That might explain your problem.

I just tried the default Hellcat on full Realism & see what you mean. I rarely, if ever, fly the default aircraft & I'm no hotshot fighter pilot. You might like to try reducing the Realism settings until you get used to it.

Burninator there are countless of upgrades for this Sim. Some are of very good quality and some are not so accurate. Its all up to the user to decide. What I recommend for you to do is to backup the original AC first in some folder of your choice and then do the upgrade of your AC. If you do not like the new upgrades just simply delete them and replace them with the original AC. It very simple. Always back up eveything so you wouldn"t have problems in the future.

Another thing is when you bank in a AC you need energy to keep turning other wise your AC will stall and spin and fall. Thats real life flying. It all depends on the AC design and the speed you are using plus the angle and the amount of turbulance and othe factors. You see flying is not that hard but it also not that easy. Also remember need to control it all with your stick. This is only simple rule of Thum.

Read general this rules for flying with different fighters from different Nationalities.

Italian planes: Angle fighters,easy to fly but rather slow with good handle.

Japanese planes: Angle fighters, superb handling charasteristics and good turning abilities, long range, fun to fly but a bit slow and fragile planes performance poor above 19,000ft.

British planes: Good Angle and Energy fighters but not the masters of either. Easy handeling charateristic fun to fly but short range. Slow early in war better speed with later Spitfires at war,very good even planes.

German planes: Great Fighters with a fighter sense of purpose and good firepower but with limit Flying charateristics. Good Energy fighters but with poor turing radius, Short range and soso visbility, performance poor above 20,000 ft.

Amiricans planes:High energy fighters, Stong engines and stong stuctures with great abilities to absorb punishments, long range and good armament with great performance at high altitude 15,000ft and above. Poor visibilty and turning radius. Need experience to know how to handle properly, Poor performance below 5,000 ft.

Russian planes: Good enegy and angle fighters. Strong aramaments and with sturdy frames. Relative decent flying handeling charateristis. Short range,poor engine endurance poor, poor gun planform, performance obove 15,000ft very poor.

Once you learn this general characteristic of each Nationalities it will make it easier to understand the planes you are flying.


James007

I just tried it myself with several airplanes all at the "hard" setting. I am certain that handling is the modeler's way of saying you don't have aileron control during the stall. That might be a fair statement for the stock csf2 planes because I don't think those had slats or slots on the outer wing sections, devices which allow roll control through a stall. But perhaps a real airlplane might rotate the other way and flip inverted during a turning stall. Some German and Russian planes had slots/slats I believe. Pretty sure real airplanes give a bit more stall warning than the sims give (although IL2 planes might make the "burble" sound approaching stall). I tried some add on planes and they were different. I had roll control with those but they would lose altitude quickly (not enough elevator perhaps).

I guess like most of you I quit using the "hard" setting right away.

We need to cut the modelers some slack on this subject. They can get the dimensions correct and match the performances but how would they know what an old airplane handles like? And how to interpret handling into a flight sim? I downloaded a great JU52 transport that flew like a real pig so I came away with the idea those flew like pigs. But I just saw the old film Counterfeit Traitor where the character rides a real JU52. I watched closely for pig handling but as soon as she cleared wheels on takeoff she went into a hard banked climb like a Piper Cub!

Jimski

James007. Would you allow me to give a comment here.
The GB 1% aircrafts gives, when they are setup correct, a very good feeling in cfs2 on flying some sensitives planes made for WW2. Did i say sentitives, yes they where that.

I am sorry to say this then, but it seems to me, that you try to get too much control of what other mean or what others opinion is telling you here at cfs2.
I'm glad that you welcome me here, and i'm glad you're willing to learn something new, but don't get catched in "only i know" .
No offence my freind, and i hope we can have a good talk in the future.

I just flew the stock F6F and at a 90 degree angle it tracked fine untill it startes a wing tip stall but just a little rudder in the direction of the turn will correct that and the aircraft will continue to track.When the F6F was first tested it was found to be to stable to be a good combat aircraft.The problem was in the wing twist. I can`t remember if they added more twist to the wing or took some out but it must have worked because the pilots loved flying it because it was the most stable gun plateform that we had and it did what it was designed to do and that was out preform the Zero.

In my humble opinion it was the pilots and not the Hellcat that made the difference. I flown them in different Sims and they always they have had similar flying charateristics more or less. with CFS2 you need to upgrade them to F6F5 or download B24guy upgraded Hellcat replacement version. No, you are not going to get the perfect Hellcat in this or any other Sim. Or you can hope for is for as close to the real thing as possible.




James007

The F6F-5 done by AvHistory is going to come  very close to the real thing.Try it you can find it at Netwings.

Rogberthegf good advice. The only way you will know how good the Hellcat flew is to buy a time machine and join our Navy in 1943. Then you need to get lucky and have been given a Hellcat to fly with. After you have been train and flown it in over 90 mission you will really know how good or limit it really was. Thats counting that you have survived your tour .LoL

Other wise you will hear a million opinion by diferent member about their favorite Sims and how much better their AC is over the other Sims. You are going to hear it all.LoL



James007

james007 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2007 at 11:39am:


Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the B-24 guy does very good visual fixes of the MS stock aircraft; not Flight Model enhancements.

These are some of the most beautifull pictures i've ever seen of WW2 airplanes. The corsair, what a look.

About "youtube". Sometimes i ask myself. Is this real or is it computer made. Today, you can make anything.

Thank you AvHistory

kilotango wrote on Jan 21^st, 2007 at 1:03pm:


Take a look here at the Planes of Fame Museum in Chino for more great shots of these flying warbirds.

http://www.planesoffame.org/menu.php

Slide down the left side to the heading "General Museum Information" & click on "Museum Photos"

When that page comes up click on the two graphics "Monthly Events" & "Airshows" to get to the picture section.  There are 100's of great shots of some of their 150+ planes.

BTW Steve Hinton a war bird pilot & the president of POF also owns, Fighter Rebuilders - a world renowned aviation company devoted to the restoration of Warbirds, has a great DVD out flying the Zero pictured above in a very aggressive manner.  In fact his roll rate on some of the maneuvers is right at 1942-43 WWII test standards when timed with a stopwatch.

Steves' DVD series have him putting most of the more famous WWII aircraft through thier paces.

roberthegf wrote on Jan 21^st, 2007 at 10:06pm:


Gregory has expressed some interest in expanding Version 4 to CFS2 & I have no basic problem with that,  but it will be awhile before our commitments to the MAW project & some other visual designers are finished.