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Nov 11^th, 2006 at 9:03pm

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If this is what FSX can look like, and maybe some day run smoothly, than Ill definitely get it. Todd
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qtrfrcKoTc

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Reply #1 - Nov 11^th, 2006 at 9:07pm

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wow really amazing video, thanks for sharing !

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Reply #2 - Nov 11^th, 2006 at 9:18pm

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Its all there... just waiting for the hardware to come of age over the next year... cant wait

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Reply #3 - Nov 11^th, 2006 at 9:33pm

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I really think it is important that people understand how that was made...

This is the person who made it
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olahaldorvoll (2 weeks ago)
Two things;

my computer is a AMD Athlon 64 x2 2ghz with 2gb ram and geforce 7800gt w/512mb ram.
It was edited on my quad xeon mac with final cut studio.

the footage was captured using fraps at 60fps, fullframe. FPS was between 4 and 10 throughout the capturing, but with the feature "no sync" wich doesn't record the frames that doesn't change.
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A pro if I ever saw one. Excellent rig for video editing.

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Reply #4 - Nov 12^th, 2006 at 7:44am

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Very nice little vid.

But notice that the VC panel was never in shot, there was no AI of any sort inc ground and sea traffic and no AI aircraft even in the airport shot. Also the scenery looks to be at a very sparse level and water looks to be at a pretty low setting (high 1?).

Even then, just flying over the statue in Rio see just how jerky it is. I've found the same in that location.

All of the things I've mentioned, ie what most people want to see in their flightsim, are what the majority of people who have experienced problems with FSX say have brought their sim to its knees.

I'm not trying to get at anyone but I know I'll get abuse and a lecture from the self-appointed small body of FSX thought police here on the forum. Just trying to put an alternative point of view.

PS I am still flying and enjoying FSX but I appreciate there are genuine people out there who are having problems.

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Reply #5 - Nov 12^th, 2006 at 8:03am

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No abuse for you.. lol..

But I do wonder why you needed to pull down (and knowingly provoke abuse), even a simple, positive thread ....

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Reply #6 - Nov 12^th, 2006 at 8:29am

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OMG Brett. I do not see how I've pulled anything down. All I have done is make some simple observations on the video. I find your comment more destructive than mine as you are the one who has now started the ball rolling aagain. ???

It's comments like yours that cause the problems, not mine. My comments were directed at the video and the sim, which is what this forum is supposed to be about. Your comment was directed at me. Why can't you just leave the personal slant out of it.

If FSX can't survive with such innocuous AND TRUE comments being made about it G*d help it.

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Reply #7 - Nov 12^th, 2006 at 8:38am

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No, Roller..

This thread was a simple display of a positive experience. No hardware/software debate.. NO complaining.

YOU.. couldn't stand a few consecutive, positive posts.. even acknowledging yourself that you were digging it up AGAIN.

All I did was call you on it.

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Reply #8 - Nov 12^th, 2006 at 8:50am

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My gosh...New York and Paris looked real... Shocked

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Reply #9 - Nov 12^th, 2006 at 12:10pm

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Wowo!!!

I was truly impressed!!
If that is what FSX will be capable of, Hats Off To The Aces Team!!!

And I don't care about all the people bitchin about the first release, it needs to start someplace!

I am looking forward to see the future of this Sim progress!!! Keep up the good work! It is a long road but eventually, I will be there some day! I am a patient person and can wait for everything that needs to be done, both on my part and the manufactures part!!

Totally impressed! I find NO Reason to keep looking for the negative but more the positive! Glad to see that as it really looked real!!

Great video.....Now I am off to watch that again so I can see what I will be waiting for!!!

Thanks for that Link!!!

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Reply #10 - Nov 12^th, 2006 at 1:28pm

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" But I do wonder why you needed to pull down (and knowingly provoke abuse), even a simple, positive thread ...."

I did not interpret R.B.'s post as "pulling down" anything. Perhaps we are overlooking the fundamental fact regarding the human factor that before anyone can be impressed that person must be impressionable.

The famous American writer, Truman Capote stated it best, IMO, when asked of all the famous people had met and interviewed, who had impressed him the most: He qualified his response by stating the fact that he was only impressionable during his early years as a cub-reporter; afterwards, as he came to realize what a jaded place the realworld can be, no one -- even though they were more famous and/or powerful -- impressed him.

Mr. Capote then went on to describe the encounter with a relatively mundane character who had impressed him partly due to the fact he was impressionable.

What does this all have to do with this thread?

I was not impressed by the linked FSX video at Youtube. This is not a condemnation of said video, FSX or anyone associated with it. All it means is I was not impressed -- therefore, from my perspective, the video is not "impressive".

P.S. I've made and posted dozens of videos at YouTube and Mydeo.com -- both of realworld and simulated flying.

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Reply #11 - Nov 12^th, 2006 at 2:55pm

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I think I may be losing my mind. Some of the responses to these threads are completely unrelated to the thread itself. I have to use my psychology degree just to interpret some of the off the wall comments being made. Please stick to the topic at hand. Todd

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Reply #12 - Nov 12^th, 2006 at 3:36pm

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Reply #13 - Nov 12^th, 2006 at 3:40pm

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I really think it is important that people understand how that was made...

This is the person who made it
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olahaldorvoll (2 weeks ago)
Two things;

my computer is a AMD Athlon 64 x2 2ghz with 2gb ram and geforce 7800gt w/512mb ram.
It was edited on my quad xeon mac with final cut studio.

the footage was captured using fraps at 60fps, fullframe. FPS was between 4 and 10 throughout the capturing, but with the feature "no sync" wich doesn't record the frames that doesn't change.
===================================

A pro if I ever saw one. Excellent rig for video editing.

My rig is AMD 64 X2 (2.2Ghz) with 3GB RAM and I get nowhere near that kind of performance. Even with the weather turned off and my GT7600 graphics card using 256mb on board with an extra 500mb system RAM I get about 10fps around town and only about 18 in the cruise.

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Reply #14 - Nov 12^th, 2006 at 4:12pm

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My rig is AMD 64 X2 (2.2Ghz) with 3GB RAM and I get nowhere near that kind of performance. Even with the weather turned off and my GT7600 graphics card using 256mb on board with an extra 500mb system RAM I get about 10fps around town and only about 18 in the cruise.

I think you misread his post.. he said the FPS in FSX was between 4 and 10

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Reply #15 - Nov 12^th, 2006 at 5:46pm

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Todd,

That is very interesting video....thanks for the link.

It clearly shows what FSX is capable of. Can't WAIT til I can afford hardware to run is smoothly at full levels. Probaly 1-2 years out for me at least.

Some of those views are incredible in the detail and realism. The quick shot of Paris literally looks like live video. The Rio shot too is amazing. Unfortunately it is ALL rather jerky from my point of view. (I have high "smoothness" standards Wink

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It is all about waiting for hardware now. Grin

Actually....waiting for MONEY first! Grin

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Reply #16 - Nov 12^th, 2006 at 6:02pm

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Hey John,

Im right there with you, patiently saving and waiting for Vista and DX10. Waiting is a good thing, gets the kinks worked out in video cards, patches released by MS, and less time before the next version of FS comes out! Grin

Whats funny is that Im close to getting FS9 where I want it, so now Ill have to start over, but if FSX looks like that video, in the end it will be worth it.

Todd

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Reply #17 - Nov 12^th, 2006 at 6:02pm

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My rig is AMD 64 X2 (2.2Ghz) with 3GB RAM and I get nowhere near that kind of performance. Even with the weather turned off and my GT7600 graphics card using 256mb on board with an extra 500mb system RAM I get about 10fps around town and only about 18 in the cruise.

id place my money on your video card. its kind of outdated. mine is too, but it wont be long until i get the 8800 gtx

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Reply #18 - Nov 12^th, 2006 at 6:10pm

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Todd,

That is very interesting video....thanks for the link.

It clearly shows what FSX is capable of. Can't WAIT til I can afford hardware to run is smoothly at full levels. Probaly 1-2 years out for me at least.

Some of those views are incredible in the detail and realism. The quick shot of Paris literally looks like live video. The Rio shot too is amazing. Unfortunately it is ALL rather jerky from my point of view. (I have high "smoothness" standards Wink

).

It is all about waiting for hardware now. Grin

Actually....waiting for MONEY first! Grin

best,

......................john

It is a bit jerky... he did say the sim ran between 4 and 10 FPS during capture.. I really think he did a great production job in presentation though.. the widescreen visual touch gave it that sort of professional DVD look even though the video was a stumbling a bit.

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Reply #19 - Nov 12^th, 2006 at 6:24pm

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Sorry, it's interesting but I can't see how you can base anything on that. I found the same video posted here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szFZKuJe0J0
Note that the author (Ola Haldor Voll aka olahaldorvoll) makes a slightly different comment to the one NickN quoted. Quote:

My computer is a AMD Athlon 64 X2 2GHz, 2GB RAM and a GeForce 7800GT w/512MB RAM.

Believe me, I don't get any near that kind of framerate when playing ingame - it's just a trick when capturing and editing the video. Who would've ever wanted to see a laggy crap-video?

I think that says it all really.

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Reply #20 - Nov 12^th, 2006 at 7:31pm

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I think it at least shows what FSX will be capable of. Regardless of the stutters, that is amazing detail and almost looks real. While it may be awhile before we realize the benefits, it will happen. A year from now most of us will be happily flying around in FSX and will have forgotten about most of this trouble we are currently having. Not that I approve of waiting, and not saying the sim is perfect, but I think we wil be surprised how much this new sim evolves. Todd

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Reply #21 - Nov 12^th, 2006 at 7:44pm

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I think it at least shows what FSX will be capable of. Regardless of the stutters, that is amazing detail and almost looks real. While it may be awhile before we realize the benefits, it will happen. A year from now most of us will be happily flying around in FSX and will have forgotten about most of this trouble we are currently having. Not that I approve of waiting, and not saying the sim is perfect, but I think we wil be surprised how much this new sim evolves. Todd

The person who made it posted quite clearly the low frame rate during capture.. there was nothing hidden about that and anyone who understands video editing also knows how he made it look as smooth as he did.

I think the point he was demonstrating was that as FSX evolves we will all get to expereince more and more.

I do know this..., videos PROPERLY captured from FS9 and FSX tend to display a sharper output than the real sim and the editing software used can also enhance the clarity.

His overall approach was to show what we will be able to see as hardware evolves and the sim comes of age. I can see quite a bit and that was without DX10.

DX10 will require high LOD textures be installed. When DX10 does arrive it is not going to magically transform FSX until M$ patches everything with DX10 LOD.

Which reminds me.. allot of people think the FSX team screwed up with the size of the textures in FSX...

hmmmmmm... Roll Eyes

my guess is DX10 may require a base size texture and the layout currently designed in order to be ready for patching. Anyone who messes with the textures or files may be in for a shock/reinstall when the time comes for the upgrade.

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