Simviation Forum - A380 Orders begining to be cancelled?

Reply #30 - Nov 8^th, 2006 at 12:12pm

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Those engines won't be exclusive to the 787 and there's only so much you can do streamlining an airframe.

Have Boeing sorted out their weight problem yet?

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Reply #31 - Nov 8^th, 2006 at 12:19pm

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Have Boeing sorted out their weight problem yet?

Seems like it:

"While production of the B-787 appears to be proceeding except for a minor problem weight problem, the future of the A350XWB program is anyone’s guess. The first B-787 delivery is still planned for 2008, on time and in accordance with the company's contractual obligations."

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Reply #32 - Nov 8^th, 2006 at 12:26pm

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Seems like it:

"While production of the B-787 appears to be proceeding except for a minor problem weight problem,"

Doesn't seem like it to me... Tongue

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Reply #33 - Nov 8^th, 2006 at 1:19pm

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Doesn't seem like it to me... Tongue

Well, if you just look at that one sentence by itself, you might conclude the glass is 1/2 empty, but the rest of the statement that you didn't include indicates production remains on schedule.

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Reply #34 - Nov 8^th, 2006 at 1:39pm

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Well, if you just look at that one sentence by itself, you might conclude the glass is 1/2 empty, but the rest of the statement that you didn't include indicates production remains on schedule.

I asked whether Boeing had their weght problem sorted out yet. That sentence says that they havn't. Thats the only bit of the whole extract that interested me or had anything to do with what I asked. Just because production is on schedual at the moment, if they fail to get the weight down then it's not going to be on schedual for much longer.

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Reply #35 - Nov 8^th, 2006 at 8:37pm

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The 787's being designed to be able to fly it's routes on 20% less fuel than it's competition. What airline's gonna ignore that? Jet engines are tremendously thirsty, and with the price of gas being such an issue these days, this is a huge advantage for the 787.

Well first off, the B787 and the A380 are competing in entirely different classes and markets. The B787 is set to be more of a "medium" class aircraft, meant for flying point to point on less popular routes (such as Manchester to Baltimore, for example), whereas the A380 is meant for large hub to hub heavily trafficked routes, such as Frankfurt to New York City- JFK.

As well, while the 20% fuel savings may be indeed quite a boon, the 787 can only carry between 210 and 330 passengers, while the A380 can carry between 555 and 832 people, and while its fuel efficiency is worse than a 747's, due to the amount of passengers it can carry, the cost per passenger is less than all of the 747 variants.

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Reply #36 - Nov 9^th, 2006 at 7:05am

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Those engines won't be exclusive to the 787 and there's only so much you can do streamlining an airframe.

Have Boeing sorted out their weight problem yet?

At the moment they are. The layout between the engine manufactures and Boeing is some what unique. The GEnex and the Trent 1000 will be interchangeable. They use the same hard point, connection points and fittings. If in the future a 787 is has GE engines and you buy it second hand and run RR engines, you can unbolt the GE and install an RR. Also both engines are "bleed less" engines, so for the time being they will only go on the 787.

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Reply #37 - Nov 9^th, 2006 at 10:01am

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Well first off, the B787 and the A380 are competing in entirely different classes and markets.

I know that. If you've read any of my posts in the past on this subject, I've stated such things.

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Reply #38 - Nov 9^th, 2006 at 4:35pm

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A couple of things:

The 20% fuel savings figure is a combination of the engine efficiency and weight savings. Its not all 20% from the engines.

The 787 is over our weight goal by a small margin but still under what we promised the customers.

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