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Oct 8^th, 2006 at 8:16pm

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HI All

I just go the FSX, and it has like it says but I am having problems running FSX.

I find I am only getting 4 - 10 frames a min

I am running

AMD 3800 Duel Core
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Reply #1 - Oct 8^th, 2006 at 8:49pm

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What's your video card memory? I'm running an ATI Radeon 9000 with 64M and getting relatively low fps, and can't really get anything above "medium high"...

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Reply #2 - Oct 8^th, 2006 at 9:09pm

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I have 512mb

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Reply #3 - Oct 8^th, 2006 at 9:45pm

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Hmm...4-10 frames a min?

so, that would be.....

0.06 frames per second?

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he made a typo I couldn't resist commenting on.

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Reply #4 - Oct 8^th, 2006 at 9:53pm

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sorry I meant 4-10 fps

I have just download the new version of the video drivers

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Reply #5 - Oct 8^th, 2006 at 9:53pm

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and my FPS also suck...

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Reply #6 - Oct 9^th, 2006 at 12:31am

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WTF... this totally pisses me off... since Tuesday I've gone to THREE Best Buy's, two CompUSA's, two Circuit City's, two Fred Meyers, and four GameStops to find the game... NOTHING! Not even an empty spot indicating they were sold out!

It's like, come on man, they built the freakin' game 30 miles from where I live, why can't we get it at the same time?

Gggrrrr!!!!

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Reply #7 - Oct 9^th, 2006 at 12:41am

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WTF... this totally pisses me off... since Tuesday I've gone to THREE Best Buy's, two CompUSA's, two Circuit City's, two Fred Meyers, and four GameStops to find the game... NOTHING! Not even an empty spot indicating they were sold out!

It's like, come on man, they built the freakin' game 30 miles from where I live, why can't we get it at the same time?

Gggrrrr!!!!

have you read nothing? a few stores accdently put it on the shelves before they were supposed to, they all (as far as i know) have pulled them back off the shelves so you need to wait untill the 17th.

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Reply #8 - Oct 9^th, 2006 at 12:46am

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I live in Seattle, and I have yet to check a Best Buy around here, I live roughly 5 miles from where the game was made, so i might go tomorrow and find one somewhere.

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Reply #9 - Oct 9^th, 2006 at 1:34am

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My X850 gets like triple your FPS. Try turning down some settings..

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Reply #10 - Oct 9^th, 2006 at 1:48am

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You must have something wrong with your setup somewhere. With my spec

AMD64 3500+
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Nvidia 6800 Ultra, only 256ram
80gig 7200rpm Sata hdd

I was holding an FPS of between 15-25 (locked @25) in the demo. I had my sliders set to achieve the best looking environment but did turn down all of the AI (bar boats) and I think autogen was only on dense and water on high 2. What have you got your sliders set at?

Are you sure you dont have loads or proccesses running in the background hogging resources?

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Reply #11 - Oct 9^th, 2006 at 2:07am

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Check your bios settings. Make sure than any on board processes that are duplicated by video/sound cards motherboard etc etc etc and Windows are disabled. Your FS9 was presumably running at a little more than 4fps?
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Reply #12 - Oct 9^th, 2006 at 8:14am

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FS9 was presumably running at a little more than 4fps

FS9 is running at 35 to 50 fps, everything on ultra High

FSx I can get 20fps on Medium

so I am not sure what to do from here

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Reply #13 - Oct 9^th, 2006 at 8:28am

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Don't moan guys I've got a PIII 1GHz so my machine probably won't get above 1 frame per hour! And it'll be a good 6 months before it appears in Central Europe. Ahh well at least I'll have a shiny new PC when it gets here Grin

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Reply #14 - Oct 10^th, 2006 at 2:16am

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FS9 is running at 35 to 50 fps, everything on ultra High

FSx I can get 20fps on Medium

so I am not sure what to do from here

Am in the same boat. Have been trying different setting with the sliders but have not had much success yet.

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Reply #15 - Oct 10^th, 2006 at 4:22am

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I think that after the official launch date, we must insist that the members of the FSX team who were blogging and promoting the game like crazy a few weeks ago should make an official statement about what hardware is relaistically necessary to run this software in the way it should be run. They must have tested it on a wide range so they must know.

This really isn't good enough. A very large number of people will be going out to buy it in the expectation that what they have seen is what they will get on their machines and they will be very disappointed and very out of pocket.

If you can't run FS9 on your rig with all sliders totally maxed and all features (land and water detail, ground shadows etc) turned on, you won't stand a cat's chance of running FSX in any sort of way at all that will show off what it claims to deliver. And I'm sorry, the screenies put up so far have proven that, many of which have key features turned off or down to low levels.

IMO MS owes that to the FS community who has supported them for so long and continues to show such an incredibly high level of goodwill. I wonder how long we will have to wait...

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Reply #16 - Oct 10^th, 2006 at 4:48am

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I think that after the official launch date, we must insist that the members of the FSX team who were blogging and promoting the game like crazy a few weeks ago should make an official statement about what hardware is relaistically necessary to run this software in the way it should be run. They must have tested it on a wide range so they must know.

This really isn't good enough. A very large number of people will be going out to buy it in the expectation that what they have seen is what they will get on their machines and they will be very disappointed and very out of pocket.

If you can't run FS9 on your rig with all sliders totally maxed and all features (land and water detail, ground shadows etc) turned on, you won't stand a cat's chance of running FSX in any sort of way at all that will show off what it claims to deliver. And I'm sorry, the screenies put up so far have proven that many of which have key features turned off or down to low levels.

IMO MS owes that to the FS community who has supported them for so long and continues to show such an incredibly high level of goodwill. I wonder how long we will have to wait...

Well I think the people out there is not stupid.
I mean, if my rig cannot run FS9 maxed out, and I see that FSX looks even better and much more detailled than FS9, then I will not expect to run it maxed out.

Else what ? FSX maxed out should run better than FS9 maxed out ? ??? Who could seriously expect such a thing ? Roll Eyes

There's more stuff displayed, so you need more ressources. That's all, and I don't think one must be an IT expert to understand that.

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Reply #17 - Oct 10^th, 2006 at 5:21am

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Of course. But you've missed the point a bit.

There are guys who have some pretty top end hardware on the forum who are running FS9 totally maxed with high FRs.

But just read some of the postings we are now getting. The same guys are having to cripple FSX to get similar FRs.

Now we all know that MS's claims for the hardware needed to run FS9 wre total fantasy and IMO they should not be allowed to get away with a similar trick with FSX.

All they need to do is get some of their staff bloggers who were so keen to talk to us a few weeks ago to tell us about the rigs that were used to test it and how it performed.

What could be simpler Wink

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That's if they are not all still off away spending more time with their families Grin

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Reply #18 - Oct 10^th, 2006 at 5:24am

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FSX Loves ram, I put another gig in, and it ate it all (Well I put 2048 in and 512 for the video card, it still ate the remaining 1.6 gigs) And that was with the demo! I overclocked my 7300LE from 400/648 to 563/769 and I can run it fine at medium high settings, min frames 13.3 highest with unlimited is about 19.7 and its fairly smooth, but those ocasional stutters...... Cheers, Gunny

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Reply #19 - Oct 10^th, 2006 at 5:40am

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Of course. But you've missed the point a bit.

There are guys who have some pretty top end hardware on the forum who are running FS9 totally maxed with high FRs.

But just read some of the postings we are now getting. The same guys are having to cripple FSX to get similar FRs.

Now we all know that MS's claims for the hardware needed to run FS9 wre total fantasy and IMO they should not be allowed to get away with a similar trick with FSX.

All they need to do is get some of their staff bloggers who were so keen to talk to us a few weeks ago to tell us about the rigs that were used to test it and how it performed.

What could be simpler Wink

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That's if they are not all still off away spending more time with their families Grin

Well, concerning the performance of FSX, they clearly stated than FSX would have the same performance as FS9 with the same level of details, which obviously means "a crippled" FSX. There's just no surprise here.

How many FSX owners have already tried to set up FSX so that it looks exactely like FS9, to compare the performance ? Doing this would mean:
- turn off traffic on roads
- tun off wildlife
- turn off water reflection
- turn off animated vehicules on airports
- reduce autogen 10 times lower (600 obects max for FS9, 6000 max for FSX, remember ?)
- reduce the drawing distance (forget about the curvature of the earth, display only 96 km just like most of FS9 users were doing
- reduce mesh precision down to 70 meters
- reduce textures precision down to 10 meters (err... don't remember the precision of textures for FS9, in fact...)
- what else...

Then tell me how it runs.
Of course nobody can run it on average-high settings, but I see lo lies from MS on this point.

And I agree with you, it would be nice to have a precise hardware description from MS for a good looking FSX, that would be really interesting, and would help a lot of people to get a better idea of what they can expect.

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Reply #20 - Oct 10^th, 2006 at 6:06am

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Thanks Daube, glad you agree with that.

The fact that we are all members of a FS forum probably means that we are all genuinely interested in FS and we must all be excited about the release of a new version (even the crabby ones who say they'll never ever buy it not even in a million years 8) )

But I think we deserve to be told what hardware is realistically needed to run it. Turning all the 'goodies' off or down so it loooks just like its predecessors just isn't an option in my book.

If we decide to go out and buy it with the hope that it will either (a) run on our existing kit or (b) on some new kit that we intend to invest even more money in to get the kind of results that the developers have been demonstrating and talking to us about over the last weeks and months, it is only fair that in return we are given some proper advice by the developers (who are really the only ones who know, as they tested it themselves and also collated all the results from the beta testers) on the kit we are likely to need.

After all, a car manufacturer would never be able to get away with saying his model X will achieve average MPG of 25 if it will actually only do 10, or will have zero exhaust emissions when it really belts them out.

There's no difference in my book - but that's just my opinion.

Look, I want to be able to run FSX and I want to know realistically what kit I'll need to do it. I don't expect to have to pick this info up piecemeal from around the Internet and elsewhere when it's readily available in someone's desk drawer.

I think that's pretty reasonable, don't you?

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Reply #21 - Oct 10^th, 2006 at 7:01am

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...I was/am delighted with the results achieved on my modest
old Radeon 9200 with a gig of Ram......never had FS9 cranked right up but am running with the moving cars etc at a medium setting and getting a smooth 20fps ...

..This is with the DEMO and as you know the airports are only small low key ones and no cities with masses of buildings to slow things down...and no PAI.............what will happen then I dread to think but I would guess that's when I will wish I hadn't bought the full thing...........commoner. Grin

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Reply #22 - Oct 10^th, 2006 at 7:20am

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You may want to consider that some in the development team are as flummoxed as we are....

Some with great setups are getting less than expected performance, and some with lesser setups are just peachy....

http://blogs.technet.com/p-12c_pilot/default.aspx

I updated my video drivers (ATI Radeon 9000 64M memory) and FS-X doesn't run. I rolled back and it does.

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Reply #23 - Oct 10^th, 2006 at 7:47am

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I still am using my FS9.
From what I have heard and seen, I will wait a while. My set up right now offers what FS9 is offering, of course it is loaded with Payware! Grin

Roaming animals in the plains of Africa is something I don't need to see anyway!.
Updated water textures are cool but not worth a total rebuild until DX10 comes out. That is when I will plan on rebuilding my sim. By then the bugs and possible "patches" will be sorted..

The more I read about FSX, the more I see people having mixed feelings about the whole thing.
Can you say "CFS3" Wink

I am not one of those who wants FSX just to say, "Hey I got it and it does not run right"!

I am a perfectionist when it comes to this hobby and like I said, I am not certain that FSX is perfect.

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Reply #24 - Oct 10^th, 2006 at 7:57am

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Sensible, unemotional comments from people whose opinions I value and appreciate. Thank you.

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Reply #25 - Oct 10^th, 2006 at 8:13am

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Well i can run everything on full with the beta, my secret? Turn down the water and you can max everything else. I was getting 35 fps with no water effect, and 20 with it on half. That should kinda show how bad it saps the system.

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Reply #26 - Oct 10^th, 2006 at 8:23am

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I think that some old video cards, because there are not able to handle some of the graphical effects (like bump-mapping, this kinf of things) may run faster than some newer video cards that are more powerfull, but overloaded by the new effetcs they have to compute.

See what I mean ? Older video cards produce less quality, but faster. Playing with the video quality setting of your card drivers (for example NVidia, this slider that let you choose 'performance' or 'quality' or 'Best quality' etC...) may have an important effect, since this slider simply disable some of the graphic functionnlities of your cards.

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Reply #27 - Oct 10^th, 2006 at 8:27am

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I still am using my FS9.
From what I have heard and seen, I will wait a while. My set up right now offers what FS9 is offering, of course it is loaded with Payware! Grin

Roaming animals in the plains of Africa is something I don't need to see anyway!.
Updated water textures are cool but not worth a total rebuild until DX10 comes out. That is when I will plan on rebuilding my sim. By then the bugs and possible "patches" will be sorted..

The more I read about FSX, the more I see people having mixed feelings about the whole thing.
Can you say "CFS3" Wink

I am not one of those who wants FSX just to say, "Hey I got it and it does not run right"!

I am a perfectionist when it comes to this hobby and like I said, I am not certain that FSX is perfect.

Dave

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I'm not yet ready with mutilating My fs9 till it looks better.. Besides I won't even try FSX with this rig...

Fs-x maybe but then porbably late next year or the year after... untill then Fs9! Grin

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Reply #28 - Oct 10^th, 2006 at 8:34am

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I think that some old video cards, because there are not able to handle some of the graphical effects (like bump-mapping, this kinf of things) may run faster than some newer video cards that are more powerfull, but overloaded by the new effetcs they have to compute.

See what I mean ? Older video cards produce less quality, but faster. Playing with the video quality setting of your card drivers (for example NVidia, this slider that let you choose 'performance' or 'quality' or 'Best quality' etC...) may have an important effect, since this slider simply disable some of the graphic functionnlities of your cards.

..........could be right there D.........we all have heard the old sayings "there's many a good tune played on an old fiddle" and "there's life in the old dog yet"...........commoner:P

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Reply #29 - Oct 10^th, 2006 at 8:36am

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I got it now, and also a computer that will run FS9 -- I doubt I have 20 hours logged in it and now it is time for FSX -- I get 10fps at best but it looks great so far -- reckon I'm sold on it. You get a trophy for your 1st landing??

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Reply #30 - Oct 10^th, 2006 at 9:23am

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FSX Demo: well well well i've read a lot in this post and i had "the urge" to try it... my old and outdated ATHLON XP + Gforce 64Mb says 8-10FPS with everything on mid-low Tongue

and the C130H Simshed runs fine there also!!! not everything is lost ,and also found the magical "flourbomb" folder also, maybe.. maybe.. maybe we can have some real bombs...

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Reply #31 - Oct 10^th, 2006 at 10:18am

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..........could be right there D.........we all have heard the old sayings "there's many a good tune played on an old fiddle" and "there's life in the old dog yet"...........commoner:P

Desperately flying our own kite there, aren't we Derek? Getting to sound more like the Foz every day!

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Reply #32 - Oct 10^th, 2006 at 10:56am

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Well you need min 1 gb ram and that too DDr Running Windows XP takes up to 200 mb min pl upgrade ram.+Do not forget vd card 256 mb min. 8)

I've been banned for constantly ignoring the forum rules, spamming, being abusive to mods and making false accusations against them. They've modified this profile to show everyone what happens to obnoxious foul-mouthed little idiots!

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Reply #33 - Oct 10^th, 2006 at 11:07am

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Desperately flying our own kite there, aren't we Derek? Getting to sound more like the Foz every day!

...Hello!....My ears are burning again... Wink

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LOL...!

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Reply #34 - Oct 10^th, 2006 at 11:46am

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(Time is getting close, and I'm still worried about this SP2 malarky!).... Shocked

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There is no SPII malarky....... it is a figment of your imagination. Repeat after me........

It's only a movie!

It's only a movie!

It's only a movie!

Grin

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Reply #35 - Oct 10^th, 2006 at 2:02pm

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( thats what the computor told me)
its all out of the box just over a year old

dose it stand a chance. im not expecting comershal show room quality. will it handle low settings with a relitively decent fps or should i look into some upgrades to even expect it to work

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Reply #36 - Oct 11^th, 2006 at 5:01am

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Desperately flying our own kite there, aren't we Derek? Getting to sound more like the Foz every day!

LOL...well I have to tell myself that every morning before I get out of bed........or life wouldn't be worth living............commoner....... Grin

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Reply #37 - Oct 11^th, 2006 at 5:28am

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There is no SPII malarky....... it is a figment of your imagination. Repeat after me........

It's only a movie!

It's only a movie!

It's only a movie!

Grin

best,

......john

Dear John. Lovely Lad as you are...

..can you guarantee that If I pop into my local Game shop and thrust £60 into the hot, sweaty hands of the proprietor, take FSX home with me and attempt to install it, I wont get this message pop up....

"Warning: This programs requires Service Pack 2. If it is not in place the install will fail....trust us".

If I cannot get my £60 program to install without SP 2, I shall arrive on your doorstep, post haste, to remonstrate with you for giving me duff information.... Angry

...!

I will say this only once...

Service Pack 2 WILL NOT install on my original OEM version of Windows XP Pro!

...Repeat....WILL NOT...!
(Uncle Bill has told me so!).

Try as you may, to sell me Uncle Bills SP 2 add-on...!

Paul... Wink

...!

P.S. Do you have shares in Service Pack 2...?

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Hi Fozzer - when SP2 fails to install what exactly is the error message? Erm, I'm trying to think how to write this without getting banned...I have a legal copy of XP pro which Microsoft doesn't think is legal and so won't allow me to download updates and instead want me to pay for a new license. So... to get updates I have to go to certain websites and do naughty things to Windows. I would much rather I didn't have to do this but I also like security updates as well. What I'm saying is there's probably a workaround.

Hi Hypo.... Wink

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I get your message...LOL.... Wink

...!

It's all to do With Bill's Paranoid Security System, regarding upgrading Windows XP involving certain OEM installers registration letters/numbers.... Wink

...!

I really am quite happy with my original OEM SP 1, I don't have any problems with running it, and its fancy Firewalls, etc, are of no importance to me.... Grin

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The only thing I am concerned about are various reports from the ACES design team, etc, that it will be necessary to have SP 2 in place for the FSX install to work successfully..
(Without it, the install will fail...apparently).

Paul... Wink

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P.S. Ta for the heads-up re: upgrading.... Wink

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Reply #39 - Oct 11^th, 2006 at 7:24am

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..mm...well I can say from experience that the DEMO definately will NOT install on SP1.....since I got to know that from this week there will be NO updates for SP1....I broke all my previous pledges and went ahead with SP2..........I now have SP2 and the Demo..........commoner Wink

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....I broke all my previous pledges and went ahead with SP2..........I now have SP2 and the Demo..........commoner Wink

...you disappoint me Comm...You finally gave in to "He Who Must Be Obeyed".... Cry

...!
With SP 2, Uncle Bill will now be aware of your every key-stroke and peering back at you from your monitor... Shocked

...!

I always thought you were much stronger than that, and were able to resist the temptation...
It seems that we all fall by the wayside in time.... Embarrassed

...!

Cheers Comm....

Paul....Still struggling onwards and ~~upwards~~ downwards with SP 1.... Roll Eyes

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LOL... Grin

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Reply #41 - Oct 11^th, 2006 at 8:32am

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Paul,

FSX will not run without Service Pack II installed.

best,

....john

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Reply #42 - Oct 11^th, 2006 at 10:20am

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..lol....Fozz I am afraid you are now doomed to struggle onwards in the dim dark days of FS9...........forever looking towards the bright shining future which is FSX................

BTW.......I fell by the wayside for the first time some half a century ago and seem to have got into the habit somehow.................commoner Grin

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Reply #43 - Oct 11^th, 2006 at 10:57am

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Paul,

FSX will not run without Service Pack II installed.

best,

....john

...arse... Angry

...!

That means that instead of buying a nice new, shiny graphics card suitable to run FSX.....
..I've now got to blow £266* on ANOTHER copy of Win XP Pro, (with SP 2 included) from a slimy computer software man with shifty eyes....

...double arse... Angry

....

....!

Paul....Life is not fair.... Cry

...!

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Reply #44 - Oct 11^th, 2006 at 11:47am

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Ok Fozz
This is what you need to do!! I don't know if you live in SE England close to London but if you do you're in luck. You need to goto one of the monthly computer fairs
see http://www.britishcomputerfairs.com/
There you can acquire quite cheaply a pucker copy of XP Pro ie one that's not OEM. When you get home delete your XP directory and install the new version in it's place. Yes, it's a bit tedious having to reinstall other programs in order to recreate the registry. As far as FS9 goes reinstalling doesn't seem to affect the scenery and a/c files etc. And you can create a backup copy of the cfg file to replace the newly generated one on fresh install. Then you can decide as to whether or not to install SP2.
Despite what has been said many times on this forum the pucker Windows XP Pro (UK english version) does NOT need to be registered. Remember that we are in the EU which means we do NOT have to register with Uncle Bill in order to run the programme!!
As you may know M(qualcosa)s is not allowing third parties access to Vista coding so in theory we would only be able to use Uncle Bill's "very own" virus checker! Amongst other things!!!! The EU has said that unless M(qualcosa)s gives in they won't be able to sell Vista in Europe as it contravenes the previous legal decision against them.
Vololiberista

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Reply #45 - Oct 11^th, 2006 at 12:58pm

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That means that instead of buying a nice new, shiny graphics card suitable to run FSX.....
..I've now got to blow £266* on ANOTHER copy of Win XP Pro, (with SP 2 included) from a slimy computer software man with shifty eyes...

Paul,

I think the new copy of XP is the least of your worries. From what I've seen on various forums.... don;t biother with just a card unless your rig is already THE top end available now.

You likely will not be happy with the performance otherwise.

best,

...............john

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Reply #46 - Oct 11^th, 2006 at 1:31pm

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Paul,

I think the new copy of XP is the least of your worries. From what I've seen on various forums.... don't bother with just a card unless your rig is already THE top end available now.

You likely will not be happy with the performance otherwise.

best,

...............john

Hi John...!

Never mind, no problem with buying FSX, I was just concerned if it would not install without SP2 being in place.... Cry

...!

I would happily have purchased it, if it was capable of running on my SP1, but you have confirmed that that idea is a definite no-no... Cry

...!

So...

A new version of Win XP Pro SP2 retail version is really out of the question because of its high cost in England, (£260-£280+), so it looks like continuing with my existing OEM version of Win XP Pro SP1, and my excellent FS 2004 with all its lovely add-ons.... Grin

...!
(...and I can re-install my Win XP Pro as many times as I like)...!

By the way, I still can't figure out why a SP2 (security upgrade!) would affect the installation and running of an ordinary computer game like FSX...??
As far as I can remember, it didn't affect the installation and running of FS 2002 or FS 2004, so what is so different with FSX, I wonder..?
...answers on a postcard, please... Wink

...!

Paul...Why does Bill give us all these problems?... Cry

...!

LOL... Grin

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...mmm.....continuing with SP1 is probably not a very good idea.............think of all those security "holes" that Mr Gates has been kindly filling with updates but which he has decided in his ultimate wisdom not to plug anymore! ....doesn't that bother you Fozz my old?

.......seeing that there are trillions of nasty hackers trying to compromise our PCs every day is the one reason I have moved on................commoner Shocked

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...mmm.....continuing with SP1 is probably not a very good idea.............think of all those security "holes" that Mr Gates has been kindly filling with updates but which he has decided in his ultimate wisdom not to plug anymore! ....doesn't that bother you Fozz my old?

.......seeing that there are trillions of nasty hackers trying to compromise our PCs every day is the one reason I have moved on................commoner Shocked

Comm....

...!

...you are a little darlin', me ol' Chum... Grin

...

Got your E-Mail with the offer of £280 to purchase Mr Bill's Windows XP Pro with the lovely Service Pack2 included.... Kiss

...!

I will no longer need my trusty AVG anti-virus program which has served me well for many years, (with its daily upgrades), and I can forget Spybot, Spyware Blaster, etc, which always protected me from those nasty Adware and Trojan folks....
...instead, I can lighten your wallet by transferring its contents to the nice Mr. Bill for a genuine, retail copy of Win XP Pro, and therefore save Microsoft International from financial disaster and the collapse of the American economy... 8)...!
...he will be pleased... Wink

...!

Thank you, Comm....

In the meantime I will fly my little FS 2004 Cessna 152 around sunny California with the help of Service Pack 1 tucked securely in my map pocket....
...cool, or what...8)...!

Paul....G-BPLF and chain.... 8)...!

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I will no longer need my trusty AVG anti-virus program which has served me well for many years, (with its daily upgrades), and I can forget Spybot, Spyware Blaster, etc, which always protected me from those nasty Adware and Trojan folks....
...instead,

instead..... forget Vista unless you are American!! Us Europeans may not see it at all!! For reasons said in my earlier post! In the meantime it's perfectly possible to obtain a UK version of XP Pro at a reasonable price and thereafter upgrade it if you wish. You don't need to spend pots of money!!
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In the meantime I will be flying my little FS 2004 Cessna 152 around sunny California with the help of Service Pack 1 tucked securely in my map pocket....
...cool, or what...8)...!

Paul....G-BPLF and chain.... 8)...!

....LOL......and I'll be doing a bit of flour bombing in my brand new Air Creation Trike ultralight ...in the Carribean...........Hey Ho.....doesn't life get tedious!................commoner;D

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By the way, I still can't figure out why a SP2 (security upgrade!) would affect the installation and running of an ordinary computer game like FSX...??
As far as I can remember, it didn't affect the installation and running of FS 2002 or FS 2004, so what is so different with FSX, I wonder..?
...answers on a postcard, please... Wink

...!

The "security upgrade" parts of SP2 have absolutely nothing to do with FSX. There's plethora other "fiddly bits" in SP2 that FSX needs to access for various reasons, none of which have diddly-squat to do with "security."

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The "security upgrade" parts of SP2 have absolutely nothing to do with FSX. There's plethora other "fiddly bits" in SP2 that FSX needs to access for various reasons, none of which have diddly-squat to do with "security."

..a study of Microdoft's SP 2 list of upgrades all refer to Security improvements...
...no mention of "Diddly-Squat" type fiddly bits and pieces to the original Win XP and SP 1 to improve overall efficiency, game play, etc... Wink

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Paul.... Wink

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Fozzer..you dissapoint me... £260 for windows xp pro!!! Shocked

try £100* from : http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Operating_Systems.html

deliverys around £5-£12 depending on how fast you want it.
saving you £150 Wink

also for fsx: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B000GBPLYI/ref=olp_product_details/026-725773...

£45 not £60 like game, for delivery by saturday its £9 extra for delivery

in total (should have both by saturday) itll cost you around: £170 (still less than xp pro from wherever you were getting it Wink

) (if you shop aroud you can save around £5 on amazons price for fsx deluxe...although im not sure about delivery times, use froogle to find the best deals

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*includes sp2 Cheesy

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Fozzer..you dissapoint me... £260 for windows xp pro!!! Shocked

try £100* from : http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Operating_Systems.html

deliverys around £5-£12 depending on how fast you want it.
saving you £150 Wink

That's all very well but the point is he already has XP Pro. Why should he have to buy another copy just to run a piece of software that might not run very well on his PC anyway?

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That's all very well but the point is he already has XP Pro. Why should he have to buy another copy just to run a piece of software that might not run very well on his PC anyway?

yeah i didn't think about that Roll Eyes

might not...dont you mean WONT (its flight sim of course it wont run well Wink

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Reply #56 - Oct 12^th, 2006 at 4:10pm

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Fozz's copy of XP pro is oem. most oem copies in Uk won't allow one to upgrade the system. It is designed so that you have to go and buy a new system every time.That's why it's best to kill it install a pucker stand alone version easily obtained for well under £100. Then Fozz would be free to upgrade to SP2 and / or his system at his leisure
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