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So after another driving masterclass by my man schumi, looks like we are in for one heck of a show-down in the final two GP.
With the two favorites tied at the top and the constructors championship only one point in Renault's favour - its gonna be close! Back to the days of Schui vs. Hakkinen battling it out to the last GP.
In one sense I would love for Alonso to win, he's young, cool and the second best guy out there. But, its schumis last season after all and he deserves to go out with an unprecidented 8th world title. He has obliterated just about every record in the sport and getting that 8th championship would leave a record no doubt destined to out live Schumacher himself.
How many of you wish you could have watched fangio racing first hand? well I hope your watching Schumacher, because its going to be him that everyone will be talking about and comparing others to for a loooooong time.
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a rain masterclass from schumi and a big cock up by Renault, I'll take it. Schumacher can win the title in Japan, if he wins the race and Alonso fails to score any points. He would take a 9-7 win lead over Alonso so even if he failed to finish in Brazil he'd be champ. I dont see Renault winning in Japan, its a Ferrari/schumi track, Brazil is where they will have to make their last stand.
Too bad it means waking up even earlier next weekend for Japan
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a rain masterclass from schumi and a big cock up by Renault, I'll take it. Schumacher can win the title in Japan, if he wins the race and Alonso fails to score any points. He would take a 9-7 win lead over Alonso so even if he failed to finish in Brazil he'd be champ. I dont see Renault winning in Japan, its a Ferrari/schumi track, Brazil is where they will have to make their last stand.
Too bad it means waking up even earlier next weekend for Japan
I love the Asia races. . .means I just go to bed a bit later instead of getting up really early.
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Your even luckier with where you live. Those on the east coast have it a bit tougher when it comes to staying awake.
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Or just watch the race delay on SPEED. I feel sorry for all those poor souls without it.
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Or just watch the race delay on SPEED. I feel sorry for all those poor souls without it.
I normally watch it live on speed. . .can never tell when I will get the replay or nascar otherwise
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Dumped SpeedTV when they started showing idiot programming. F-1 was way better on CBC when they had Murray Walker. Less 'dead air' too.
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Alonso is really self-destructing. So much for him being Mr cool. So who gets number 0 next year? Kimi or Massa?
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Dumped SpeedTV when they started showing idiot programming. F-1 was way better on CBC when they had Murray Walker. Less 'dead air' too.
I hate the CBS prodcasts now. . .the announcers aren't that good.
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1:28.9 quali 2 time from schumi
And what was it they said last year? these V8's would slow the cars down to a safer speed. So how exactly has that worked now that Schumacher has set a time almost 2 seconds faster than the previous fastest time set in the V10 era. ???
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1:28.9 quali 2 time from schumi
And what was it they said last year? these V8's would slow the cars down to a safer speed. So how exactly has that worked now that Schumacher has set a time almost 2 seconds faster than the previous fastest time set in the V10 era. ???
Take all the stupid little wings off, and the big ones, and that'll slow them down. Then remove traction control, radios and other electronic "helpers".
Then you have a race.
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Well, it's a Ferrari 1-2 with Alonso in 5th....this'll make for an interesting race indeed!
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Take all the stupid little wings off, and the big ones, and that'll slow them down. Then remove traction control, radios and other electronic "helpers".
Then you have a race.
i'll agree on all except the radio's and main front and rear wings. (radios are a good thing from a safety point and also they provide some good tv sound byte's:))
Most drivers dont care about traction control anyway and have said they could drive without it. Definatly get rid of these mini wings, that would not only slow corner speeds but increase straightline speeds and promote overtaking. I'm all for the high speeds, this is the pinical of motor sport, if certain drivers (DC and webber ahem) dont like them, then I'm sure GP2 would happily accept them into their ranks. But it shouldn't take rain to make a race interesting. A front wing, a rear wing, and returning to slick tyres is the solution. Hopefully those will all happen in 2008.
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i'll agree on all except the radio's and main front and rear wings. (radios are a good thing from a safety point and also they provide some good tv sound byte's:))
Most drivers dont care about traction control anyway and have said they could drive without it. Definatly get rid of these mini wings, that would not only slow corner speeds but increase straightline speeds and promote overtaking. I'm all for the high speeds, this is the pinical of motor sport, if certain drivers (DC and webber ahem) dont like them, then I'm sure GP2 would happily accept them into their ranks. But it shouldn't take rain to make a race interesting. A front wing, a rear wing, and returning to slick tyres is the solution. Hopefully those will all happen in 2008.
All that we need is a "proper" gearstick and clutch pedal. Once the diver does the gear changes when he wants to and not when the car says he can, I think that we would then see some real racing and overtaking.
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Thats not funny
let me enjoy these final few weeks.
I am already well and truely backing Lewis Hamilton for next year. I will never like Alonso he's far too arrogent, worse than Michael. And with his recent outbursts against his own team, I think the guys the biggest pile of crap in sports.
After what Ferrari have done to Michael I am no longer going to be supporting them. Its amazing how quickly they forget it was Michael who brought over Ross Brawn and Jean Todt and basically those three created the team again.
And I dont really rate Kimi as a driver.
So Lewis it is. I really believe he is the best british driver since Mansell.
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(radios are a good thing from a safety point and also they provide some good tv sound byte's:))
I agree in someways, but I think just making the driver work it out from his pitboard would be much more fun. Also, lets only have 3 buttons on the wheel - rev limiter for the pits, water button, and another which I can't think of an immediate use for...
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I'm all for the high speeds, this is the pinical of motor sport
Exactly. It's about time they had to slow down and make an effort to go round corners...
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Thats not funny
let me enjoy these final few weeks.
After what Ferrari have done to Michael I am no longer going to be supporting them. Its amazing how quickly they forget it was Michael who brought over Ross Brawn and Jean Todt and basically those three created the team again.
That is F1, all business and no sport and Lewis Hamilton will be one to watch.
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and another which I can't think of an immediate use for...
How about a big mallet that pops out of the nose and hits the car infront. No wait. thats silly. How about a oil slick dispenser?. GTA style!
F1 is the pinnacle of motorsport and the teams need to be going as fast as they can on all sections of the track. little wings or not, they are pushing the boundaries of our understanding of aerodynamics every day, and more often than not, suceeding. In my opinion, it is the reduced engine sizes and the endurence limits being imposed that are holding the sport back. I understand the financial issues involved with the smaller teams but, in a way I would rather see the top 3 or 4 teams running three cars than having more teams, purely it seems, to fill up the remaing positions on the running order.
What would you rather see, 200mph+ cornering speeds or Bob and his lawnmower powered F1 car lingering 6 laps down saying to his drivers over the radio "dont worry boys, its the taking part that counts"
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What would you rather see, 200mph+ cornering speeds or Bob and his lawnmower powered F1 car lingering 6 laps down saying to his drivers over the radio "dont worry boys, its the taking part that counts"
Just my two cents
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I'd like to see overtaking for a start. More than 5 times per race... Did you watch F1 in the late 80s and early 90s? Progression is one thing, but having a sport where
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the race is decided on Saturday and during the pit stops is another.
They had the right idea last year in changing the pit stops - in a way. It should have been make them use a full fuel tank, and only change tyres in the pits, relying on the driver looking after his fuel - you don't see many retirements for "fuel consumption" any more.
It'd be nicer for teams to take a leaf out of McLaren's 1988 book too - if your car is that good, allow both drivers the full potential of it.
As I say, talented as the drivers are, too much is decided by people with computers in the pits, and now even with live data links to team HQs...
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well that was a big pile of why did I bother getting up at 5am
5 freaking years without an engine blow up and it chose now to go
Oh well Massa knows what he has to do
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Not at all, first corner accidents and incidents are all a part of motor racing.
If Alonso were to some how wander across his path, it might just happen to be at the same time Felipe happens to blink, or sneeze even.
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Hoooray! We go into the final race of the season without Schumacher having the option (accidentally of course) of taking out his championship rival.
I hope his engine goes again.
Good he may have been, but a cheat he also was (and, judging by Monaco, he still is), and shouldn't have the privilege of retring as champion. I can't understand why people get so excited about him, unless it's similar to the "Manchester United" concept...
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I can't understand why people get so excited about him, unless it's similar to the "Manchester United" concept...
The fact that we are witnessing a living legend, the likes we have never seen before and I doubt we will see again. Cheating or not the guy has won 91 races 89 of which were won fair and square. In my opinion its 90 because the 'incident' people seem to focus on the most was with Hill at Adelaide - Look at those pictures again and tell me that hill didnt have enough to go round that corner without contact. He was stupid enough anyway for trying anything after just witnessing schumi clonck his benneton into the wall.
As for villeneuve, well the jacka$$ had it coming and for the quali incident at Monaco, well we all make mistakes and I dont hear people in uproar against the drivers who hold up other faster drivers on their laps (Ahem Rosberg & Barrichello)
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Even if he does win the title, he doesn't want it now. He said he wants to win it on the track not by default. Which I guess is understandable.
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In my opinion its 90 because the 'incident' people seem to focus on the most was with Hill at Adelaide - Look at those pictures again and tell me that hill didnt have enough to go round that corner without contact. He was stupid enough anyway for trying anything after just witnessing schumi clonck his benneton into the wall.
Hill went for the gap - he didn't know Schumi's car was mortally damaged already - he was taking his chance, and MSC could see that and in desparation took him out - or left him with nowhere to go.
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for the quali incident at Monaco, well we all make mistakes and I dont hear people in uproar against the drivers who hold up other faster drivers on their laps (Ahem Rosberg & Barrichello)
But they tend not to stop. On a blind corner. Idiotic and completely premeditated.
I shall not be sorry to see the back of him. He's been a big beneficiary of being the team no1 - ie no team mate has ever had an equal chance to race on a level playing field.
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Hill was far too impatient in the Adelaide incident. He almost certainly would have known he had the chance to pass schumi down the straight anyway and there was no need for the attempt in the tight corner. However Michael didn't make it any easier for the situation by forcing himself onto the racing line.
Wont argue Jerez was a complete brain fart moment on his part. Monaco, who cares, he got his punishment for it. Look how costly that is now, he could have easily won that race even from 2nd or 3rd, and been maybe only 6 or 8 points behind going into Brazil. Even closer if he didn't have his racing moment in Hungary. But thats the type of guy he is, a racer and a fighter.
I guarentee you F1 will suffer for a couple of years without him. how people can deny that is beyond me, like him or hate him personally, just look at the stands, its Michael schumacher memorabilia everywhere. He is the most popular of the F1 drivers, and I am betting you half those people will just disapear after this season. What F1 needs is someone to come through and attempt to replace him. Kimi is not the answer, the guys about as entertaining as paint drying. I dont think the guys voice level has ever changed. Fernando is so full of crap you never know whether he's telling the truth or hiding something. Then who is there? seriously absolutly no one in terms of level or big name selling point.
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Hill was far too impatient in the Adelaide incident. He almost certainly would have known he had the chance to pass schumi down the straight anyway and there was no need for the attempt in the tight corner.
As I said though, Hill would have had no idea if or how badly MSc was damaged, hence he went for the pass, as for all he knew, MSc may have been able to carry on regardless.
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I guarentee you F1 will suffer for a couple of years without him. how people can deny that is beyond me, like him or hate him personally, just look at the stands, its Michael schumacher memorabilia everywhere. He is the most popular of the F1 drivers, and I am betting you half those people will just disapear after this season. What F1 needs is someone to come through and attempt to replace him. Kimi is not the answer.
So what? The tifosi will always back Ferrari, and the Ferrari lovers elsewhere will show their true colours - are they true fans or people absorbed by the awesome marketing power of Ferrari.
The last time I went to a Grand Prix, entry cost about £40 for an adult, and a child for £5 on race day, and Silverstone was packed. Maybe if they dropped the prices, and didn't insist everyone sat in grandstands people would really get to see F1. To give you an idea of the date, everyone was wearing "Red 5" caps! - ie, not all that long ago - certainly not long enough to justify a 300% increase in prices...
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The sad fact is, 70% of Ferrari fans today are only fans of theirs because of Michael. Monza, and San Marino will not notice much if any drop off as you said. But when they go to places like Germany, America, China and the others, that sea of red will be gone but those seats wont be filled until those prices are dropped. I have always respected Ferrari for their heritage. Until the way they handled this situation. Until this happend, I would have been 100% behind them next year. Sure I will still hope they are winning but I hope its Massa who has the sucess.
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The sad fact is, 70% of Ferrari fans today are only fans of theirs because of Michael. Monza, and San Marino will not notice much if any drop off as you said. But when they go to places like Germany, America, China and the others, that sea of red will be gone but those seats wont be filled until those prices are dropped.
Ahhh, so that's the real reason why the German's have only got one GP next year!
As for San Marino, shame that's gone...
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San Marino isn't gone yet. They have a paper deadline of december to get back on the calender. All depends on how quickly they get the refurb done. As long as they don't hire the wembley contractors, who knows?
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What F1 needs is someone to come through and attempt to replace him.
I'll give it a shot - but i'm not making any promises
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Ahhh, so that's the real reason why the German's have only got one GP next year!
As for San Marino, shame that's gone...
It will be interesting to be in Germany when next seasons F1 starts. The German fan is very fickle and changes allegiance to who ever is winning very quickly. I predict that after the first couple of races, "Michael who?“ It was always fun to read the paper when Ferrari had a few technical problems back in the early days, Michael had very few fans then and only when Ferrari became reliable did the fan base swell.
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It will be interesting to be in Germany when next seasons F1 starts. The German fan is very fickle and changes allegiance to who ever is winning very quickly. I predict that after the first couple of races, "Michael who?“ It was always fun to read the paper when Ferrari had a few technical problems back in the early days, Michael had very few fans then and only when Ferrari became reliable did the fan base swell.
Matt
Michaels fan base has never really been small, maybe during the phase between him starting his first GP and finishing it (yes about 20 minutes...) then i would consider it to have swelled dramatically. The guy was an instant hit and displayed his amazing talent out-of-the-box.
I remember at hockenheim '94, his fans actually blockaded the circuit with logs from the surrounding forest until the FIA allowed michael to race (this was with Benneton remember, the pre-ferrari days...)
Fans threatened to set the blockades on fire to destroy the circuit if schumi couldnt race.
In the end, schumi didnt race. Benneton had the choice of accepting his one race ban or appealing, allowing him to race in germany but likely face a 3-race ban afterwards.
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