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Sep 18^th, 2006 at 10:11pm

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Fo all you "released' beta testers........

Does FSX still require the disk to remain in the DVD drive?

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Reply #1 - Sep 19^th, 2006 at 12:17am

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Even though I have never been any of the official beta testers, I believe that Microsoft would most likely require us all to have the DVD in the drive in order to combat piracy.

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Reply #2 - Sep 19^th, 2006 at 1:04am

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But hopefully, a non-official 'disk-saver' patch will be released soon after the game hits the stores Grin

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Reply #3 - Sep 19^th, 2006 at 6:10am

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*I* have a feeling that possibly in-disk verification will not be needed, but some sort of telphone/on line activation will be there, similar to what goes on with Microsoft Office, etc.

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Reply #4 - Sep 19^th, 2006 at 7:18am

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i understood the FSX would be released on DVD in which case it may have an effective protection already inbuilt. But probably m(qualcosa)s will insist on leaving a disc inside the drive in order to satisfy their craving for the monopolisation of our systems!!
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Reply #5 - Sep 19^th, 2006 at 7:49am

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I don't think u'll need to hav the disc in the drive. Thats like changing the trend. Most of the past's FSs didn't require the disc in (unless u decided not to do a full install), so why should they change it now?

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Reply #6 - Sep 19^th, 2006 at 8:31am

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But hopefully, a non-official 'disk-saver' patch will be released soon after the game hits the stores Grin

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...lol.....but DON'T ask for it on SimV................commoner:

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Reply #7 - Sep 19^th, 2006 at 9:05am

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*I* have a feeling that possibly in-disk verification will not be needed, but some sort of telphone/on line activation will be there, similar to what goes on with Microsoft Office, etc.

Felix,

That's what I am hoping... but I have not seen anything anywhere saying how this is being handled this time.

Want to hear from one of the official beta testers about it. Although their copies may be different than the version that went " gold".

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Reply #8 - Sep 19^th, 2006 at 12:43pm

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1) On-line or telephone activation will be required.

2) There is no requirement for either DVD to remain in the drive.

3) There will be no "pirate patch" to circumvent the registration available.

IOW, the registration process for FSX is identical to that currently used for WinXP installation...

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Reply #9 - Sep 19^th, 2006 at 1:53pm

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Reply #10 - Sep 19^th, 2006 at 2:11pm

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1) On-line or telephone activation will be required.

2) There is no requirement for either DVD to remain in the drive.

3) There will be no "pirate patch" to circumvent the registration available.

IOW, the registration process for FSX is identical to that currently used for WinXP installation...

Great...thanks for the "inside scoop" n4gix. That is great news that the disk won't have to be in the drive. Install it once and put it all in a safe place. I was hoping that they would go that route with this release.

This change is probably going to "frost" some of the folks that run WideView that need to to run multiple copies of the sim on multiple machines to get the outside views. I am guessing that a lot of them just (illegally) reinstalled the same software package on multiple machines in the past. Now the online reg process will reguire multiple copies of the program.... one per machine..... five or six machines.... $300 - 400 not spent on software before.

So I think your comment in #3 is probably "overly optimistic". The "pirates" are rather creative in their illegal endeavors..... and the cracks seem to pop up faster than the new stuff is released.

It will be interesting to see what happens.

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Reply #11 - Sep 19^th, 2006 at 2:39pm

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While the esteemed Fr. Poly (refers to his modelling skills, not his rotundness) verified what I thought, my suspcions of such (athentication) came about from discovering an interesting little text file in the demo installation that, if I remember, had words to the effect "telephone authentication"....

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1) On-line or telephone activation will be required.

2) There is no requirement for either DVD to remain in the drive.

3) There will be no "pirate patch" to circumvent the registration available.

IOW, the registration process for FSX is identical to that currently used for WinXP installation...

Felix/FFDS

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Reply #12 - Sep 19^th, 2006 at 3:08pm

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If you look in the main folder of the demo even there's a file called Phone Activation.xml

All part of the softening up process I guess - they can claim they never made a secret of it.

Personally I deeply resent this approach. A week or so ago I had to telephone to 'activate' a client's legitimate copy of XP that I was told had been activated too many times on the Internet.

What a bl**dy cheek. I was the one trying to repair the PC after XP had managed to foul itself up and stop booting - and to be told I had to talk to some bored teenager and 'explain' why I was activating the software again was a liberty and the last straw.

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Reply #13 - Sep 19^th, 2006 at 3:10pm

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You can do it online AFAIK.

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Reply #14 - Sep 19^th, 2006 at 3:34pm

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I'm going to hang on for a while until I can gather which method Microsoft are considering using to extract my personal information from me and my hard drive before allowing me to install the program.

I'm getting a bit brassed-off with all Microsoft's security paranoia at the moment.

Whenever you have a little window pop up telling you that you have a fault in a program, have you had a peek through the list of your various program details you will be allowing them to browse through if you are daft enough to press the "Send" button?
I like to keep all my computer software personal information contained on my hard drive to myself... Wink

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We've never had all this grief in previous versions of the Flight Sims... Angry

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Reply #15 - Sep 19^th, 2006 at 4:23pm

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Typically, you can choose to activate it by telephone.

However, and maybe I am jaded by too many "intellectual property" discussions, but I see nothing wrong in the the grantor of a software license taking steps to preserve its intellectual property.

As I see it, I am buying a license to use certain software developed and offered by a company. In turn, one of the conditions of use is that it can only be used on n computers. In order to check that, the grantor requires me to activate the software in a certain manner.

For me, no biggie. For security purposes, I keep stuff I definitely do not want anyone else to see, off my computer.

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Reply #16 - Sep 19^th, 2006 at 4:46pm

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Typically, you can choose to activate it by telephone.

However, and maybe I am jaded by too many "intellectual property" discussions, but I see nothing wrong in the the grantor of a software license taking steps to preserve its intellectual property.

As I see it, I am buying a license to use certain software developed and offered by a company. In turn, one of the conditions of use is that it can only be used on n computers. In order to check that, the grantor requires me to activate the software in a certain manner.

For me, no biggie. For security purposes, I keep stuff I definitely do not want anyone else to see, off my computer.

What he said.

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Reply #17 - Sep 19^th, 2006 at 5:01pm

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1) On-line or telephone activation will be required.

2) There is no requirement for either DVD to remain in the drive.

3) There will be no "pirate patch" to circumvent the registration available.

IOW, the registration process for FSX is identical to that currently used for WinXP installation...

I have never had to register/activate XP on line. Maybe that's because I live in Europe!!! (The law is different here) Grin

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Reply #18 - Sep 19^th, 2006 at 7:05pm

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I have never had to register/activate XP on line. Maybe that's because I live in Europe!!! (The law is different here) Grin

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Anti-Trust I bet. Roll Eyes

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Reply #19 - Sep 20^th, 2006 at 1:57am

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Anti-Trust I bet. Roll Eyes

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Reply #20 - Sep 20^th, 2006 at 7:34am

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Jealousy!

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Reply #21 - Sep 20^th, 2006 at 9:04am

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Jealousy!

Not at all! We here in Europe really do not like M(qualcosa)s breathing down our necks dictating how, when and where we can use our pc's.
All those "End User Agreements" that we have to click "Agree" to when we want to install something on a pc are completely irelevant under European law!!!
They are simply not worth ~~the paper~~ the screen they are written on!!
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Reply #22 - Sep 20^th, 2006 at 2:16pm

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hmmm....since fsx activation will use the same system as xp activation (and I assume Vista will be even more a pain...) will fsx information interconncect with the xp or vista reg info? I mean, will you be able to use FSX in a not registered or authenticated XP or vista? if Microsoft would do that, they would loose a lot of use europeans simmers...at least in the legal way...wich is a shame since I'm againts piracy...

well, I think I'm just making suposisions, but I suppose it wouldn't be hard to imagine M$ wanting a authnticated XP for fsx to run properly...

I gope they are not reading this, and that I'm not giving them ideas.... Roll Eyes

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Reply #23 - Sep 20^th, 2006 at 3:33pm

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I gope they are not reading this, and that I'm not giving them ideas.... Roll Eyes

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Of course they are reading this! They would be totally dumb NOT to monitor Forums that pertain to thier products.

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Reply #24 - Sep 20^th, 2006 at 3:56pm

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hmmm....since fsx activation will use the same system as xp activation (and I assume Vista will be even more a pain...) will fsx information interconncect with the xp or vista reg info? I mean, will you be able to use FSX in a not registered or authenticated XP or vista? if Microsoft would do that, they would loose a lot of use europeans simmers...at least in the legal way...wich is a shame since I'm againts piracy...

well, I think I'm just making suposisions, but I suppose it wouldn't be hard to imagine M$ wanting a authnticated XP for fsx to run properly...

I gope they are not reading this, and that I'm not giving them ideas.... Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

In Europe XP does not need to be "activated". I think it unlikely that any versions of "Vista" bound for Europe will have to be "activated" since it contravenes the law suit that M(qualcosa)s lost!!!
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Reply #25 - Sep 20^th, 2006 at 4:27pm

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Noooooooo

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While the esteemed Fr. Poly (refers to his modelling skills, not his rotundness) verified what I thought, my suspcions of such (athentication) came about from discovering an interesting little text file in the demo installation that, if I remember, had words to the effect "telephone authentication"....

Cheers,
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Reply #26 - Sep 20^th, 2006 at 7:27pm

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In Europe XP does not need to be "activated". I think it unlikely that any versions of "Vista" bound for Europe will have to be "activated" since it contravenes the law suit that M(qualcosa)s lost!!!
Vololiberista

In my experience, XP has to be activated to work. At least thats what it seemed when I reinstalled it after rebuilding my pc earlier in the year. Intill I activated it I could literally do nothing.

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Reply #27 - Sep 21^st, 2006 at 1:21am

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I have been installing XP in various machines at work / and home since its inceptiion and have NEVER had to "activate" it!!!

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Reply #28 - Sep 21^st, 2006 at 1:42am

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I had to activate. It just depends on which version you are using. I had a "professionnal" version that didn't need any activation at all, but my "home" version needed activation, the same for my neighbors.
You have a period in which you can still use it without activation, but after a while I think you get limited functionnalities, I don't remember.

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Reply #29 - Sep 21^st, 2006 at 2:22am

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I don't care...I am not getting FSX Tongue

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If you didn't care, then u wouldn't hav posted that...

If u hav nothing interesting to add, or u don't care, don't post.

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Reply #30 - Sep 21^st, 2006 at 6:23am

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I had to activate. It just depends on which version you are using. I had a "professionnal" version that didn't need any activation at all, but my "home" version needed activation, the same for my neighbors.
You have a period in which you can still use it without activation, but after a while I think you get limited functionnalities, I don't remember.

I have to admit I'm talking only of Professional edition. With "home" one can't even upgrade to a larger disc!!!!!!! How's that for M(qualcosa)s controlling how we use "our own" pc's!!!!!!!!! So go and get Professional edition it's completely open ended as it should be!!!
If Vista comes with limited use or telephone registration etc, it won't sell very well in Europe. I think the EU will force M(qualcosa)s to open it up as I stated earlier to limit it's use by "having to" activate it contravenes the decision of the court against M(qualcosa)s
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Reply #31 - Sep 21^st, 2006 at 7:10am

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Ultimately, it will be what it will be, and Microsoft will adapt to the market requirements.

Maybe for the European edition you may not be required to "activate", but you may be required to keep a disc in the drive, and this will prove to be "crack-proof" .

Either way, with FS-X going to market soon, that has been decided already. All we're doing is speculating.

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Reply #32 - Sep 21^st, 2006 at 8:22am

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Either way, with FS-X going to market soon, that has been decided already. All we're doing is speculating.

Either that or their still reading forums and saying "Thats a great idea! Lets add that to the game!" While programming like madmen.

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Reply #33 - Sep 21^st, 2006 at 6:22pm

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you may be required to keep a disc in the drive, and this will prove to be "crack-proof" .

Not that old trick. I never understood why that was so difficult in the first place... Wink

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Reply #34 - Sep 23^rd, 2006 at 5:15pm

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To use M(qualcosa)s's "zune" as a comparison we will probably have to phone them directly each time we want to use FSX and be given permission once they have inspected our systems!!!
The "Zune" will allow JUST 3 plays of ANY downloaded music regardless of copyright existing or not! I don't think they'll sell many lol!!

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Reply #35 - Sep 24^th, 2006 at 9:35am

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To use M(qualcosa)s's "zune" as a comparison we will probably have to phone them directly each time we want to use FSX and be given permission once they have inspected our systems!!!
The "Zune" will allow JUST 3 plays of ANY downloaded music regardless of copyright existing or not! I don't think they'll sell many lol!!

I think you're overstating the case.

A company has the right to reasonably protect its intellectual property. Flight Simulator is NOT an Open Source program.

In the end, if a person doesn't like the conditions under which a company will grant the person a license to use it, then that person has a decision to make - agree to use it under the conditions given, not use it at all and make do without, or, find a way to use it anyway, violating the stated terms of agreement, and accept whatever consequences may arise.

In other words, just because you want something I have, doesn't mean I have to give it to you, on your terms.

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Reply #36 - Sep 24^th, 2006 at 2:13pm

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Funny, I don't see anyone complaining about the activation process about BF2 or HL2.

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Reply #37 - Sep 24^th, 2006 at 9:32pm

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Funny, I don't see anyone complaining about the activation process about BF2 or HL2.

Who is complaining?

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Reply #38 - Sep 24^th, 2006 at 9:57pm

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Who is complaining?

If you have the time, re-read this whole thread to understand why I said what I said.

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Reply #39 - Sep 30^th, 2006 at 12:56pm

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1) On-line or telephone activation will be required.

2) There is no requirement for either DVD to remain in the drive.

3) There will be no "pirate patch" to circumvent the registration available.

IOW, the registration process for FSX is identical to that currently used for WinXP installation...

Bill,

What does that mean in terms of multiple installs on the same computer
as we do now?

I currently have 4 installs, tailored for different scenarios, and I'd
be reluctant to have to consolodate back to a single, massive, bloated
installation.

Paul

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Reply #40 - Sep 30^th, 2006 at 2:20pm

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Bill,

What does that mean in terms of multiple installs on the same computer
as we do now?

I currently have 4 installs, tailored for different scenarios, and I'd
be reluctant to have to consolodate back to a single, massive, bloated
installation.

Paul

At this point I'm in the same boat as everyone else... You are allowed ONE intallation on ONE computer using the installer.

However, there's absolutely nothing preventing one from making a 'clone' of a basic installation, and then creating a NEW shortcut to as many variations on the basic install as you wish.

However, when installing "add-ons" one will need to be extremely careful to point the add-on's installer to the specific path you want the add-on to use... Wink

Wink

Currently, I have:

FSX - Vanilla
FSX - Development
FSX - Full Boat

configured... Wink

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