Simviation Forum - An F-16 picture with something weird...

Aug 31^st, 2006 at 5:04pm

F-16Viper Offline
Colonel
Uno Ab Alto

Gender:
Posts: 1067

anyone know what this thing is? (its circled in red, cant miss it Wink

)

&&&&Civil Air Patrol Member since July 2005&&C/CMSgt www.cap.gov

Back to top

IP Logged

Reply #1 - Aug 31^st, 2006 at 5:28pm

C Offline
Colonel
Earth

Posts: 13144

It'll be the Sidewinder on the wingtip of the camera aircraft...

Back to top

IP Logged

Reply #2 - Aug 31^st, 2006 at 5:38pm

gryshnak Offline
Colonel
Low flying is when you
have to dodge the trees
Hull. Yorkshire, UK

Gender:
Posts: 1053

It's a very large missile about to catch up with the F16 Grin

Back to top

IP Logged

Reply #3 - Aug 31^st, 2006 at 6:14pm

Hagar Offline
Colonel
My Spitfire Girl
Costa Geriatrica

Posts: 33159

It's good ol' Snoopy. Wink

Founder & Sole Member - Grumpy's Over the Hill Club for Veteran Virtual Aviators
Member of the Fox Four Group

Need help? Try Grumpy's Lair

My photo gallery

Back to top

IP Logged

Reply #4 - Sep 1^st, 2006 at 12:00am

cheesegrater Ex Member

I think the picture is fake. The clouds are in low resolution but the F-16 is cartoony. Also, the edges look messed up. I think it is a wingtip and the F-16 was pasted in the picture.

Back to top

IP Logged

Reply #5 - Sep 1^st, 2006 at 12:03am

Stormtropper Offline
Colonel
Blueballed...!
Grosse Pointe, MI

Gender:
Posts: 1645

Hmmm...one F-16 with smoke pods and the other with AIM-9s?

Arizona State University&&Viva la party!

&&&&&&&&

Back to top

IP Logged

Reply #6 - Sep 2^nd, 2006 at 6:43am

Theis Offline
Colonel
Always somewhere, sometime..
Rødovre, Denmark

Gender:
Posts: 6116

I don't think the picture is a fake!

http://www.f-16.net/gallery_item20719.html

Bar by Mees

Back to top

IP Logged

Reply #7 - Sep 2^nd, 2006 at 8:46am

expat Offline
Colonel
Deep behind enemy lines!

Gender:
Posts: 8499

It is the Acqu unit on the wing tip of the aircraft taking the picture.

Matt

PETA People Eating Tasty Animals.

B1 Boeing 737-800 and Dash8 Q-400

Back to top

IP Logged

Reply #8 - Sep 12^th, 2006 at 5:59pm

elite marksman Offline
Colonel
Please upload all images
to Simv!

Gender:
Posts: 855

This picture is definatly a fake. Firstly, the bubble on a -16 is gold-tinged, to protect the electrical equiment, and secondly, because there are absolutly no visible shadows, and due to the geometry of the -16, there should be a shadow on the horizontal stab if the aircraft was facing directly into the sun, or shadows on the dorsal or ventral sides if it wasnt, none are present, thus it looks like a ss from a sim that does not incorporate self-shadowing pasted onto a low-res picture from the cockpit of a real -16.

EDIT, RDAF -16s dont have the gold-tinges bubble, but the warshot/smoke pod combo doesnt make sense. And you can tell its a warshot, notice the missile is white, not blue.

Back to top

IP Logged

Reply #9 - Sep 15^th, 2006 at 12:32am

cheesegrater Ex Member

That picture is fake and that book doesn't even exist.

Back to top

IP Logged

Reply #10 - Sep 15^th, 2006 at 1:19am

SkyNoz Offline
Colonel
Project Kfir!

Gender:
Posts: 1720

Looks like an ICBM, aswell I think it's fake. No instance can you ever capture this type of shot and the speed of which the missile is traveling. Non the less, something to have fun with.. I guess? Grin

Project Kfir!&&&&My Gmax page&&Aircraft modeler/Aircarft painter&&&&Aye the key!&&[GeneralEngineData]&&//0=Piston, 1=Jet, 2=None, 3=Helo-Turbine, 4=Rocket, 5=Turboprop

Back to top

IP Logged

Reply #11 - Sep 15^th, 2006 at 9:35am

C Offline
Colonel
Earth

Posts: 13144

Quote:

That picture is fake and that book doesn't even exist.

If you look hard enough, the book did exist but has been out of pirnt for some time... Roll Eyes

Quote:

Looks like an ICBM, aswell I think it's fake

Surpirising that is. Looks just like the front 11" of a Sidewinder to me, which (shock horror) would have probably been on the wingtip pylon of the 2 seat F-16 taking the photo...

...or is that all too logical. That is only a 30kb photo too...

Anyone got a wall I can borrow... Roll Eyes

Back to top

IP Logged

Reply #12 - Sep 15^th, 2006 at 9:40am

alrot Offline
Colonel
Freeware Designers Above
All..

Posts: 10231

Quote:

That picture is fake and that book doesn't even exist.

Of course can't you see how high is it must be 80.000 feets Roll Eyes

and if (supposly it can flight at this altitude) ,do you think can turn like this at this altitude?

Venezuela

Back to top

IP Logged

Reply #13 - Sep 15^th, 2006 at 10:40am

C Offline
Colonel
Earth

Posts: 13144

I'd say it's impossible to say what altitude this photo is at. Somewhere around 30000ft wouldn't surprise me, particularly if the vertical climb is being held for the photographer...

Back to top

IP Logged

Reply #14 - Sep 15^th, 2006 at 5:29pm

Mobius Offline
Colonel
Highest Point in the Lightning
Storm
Wisconsin

Posts: 4369

I think Charlie is right, it's not like it's difficult for an F-16 to do a vertical climb at high altitude, and anyways, why would it be faked if it's obviously a manuever any F-16 can do? Also, notice that if you were looking at the F-16 in the second picture (below) at the same angle as the previously posted pic, you wouldn't see any shadows on it either. It just doesn't make sense that it would be a hoax...

Back to top

IP Logged

Reply #15 - Sep 15^th, 2006 at 10:51pm

elite marksman Offline
Colonel
Please upload all images
to Simv!

Gender:
Posts: 855

Yes, even if the aircraft were veiwed from the first angle, I would see a shadow. There should have been a shadow on the scoop, or the two vertical fins on the underside. It is too improbable for the sun to be in such an angle that no visible shadows are produced.

Back to top

IP Logged

Reply #16 - Sep 16^th, 2006 at 2:01pm

expat Offline
Colonel
Deep behind enemy lines!

Gender:
Posts: 8499

Quote:

EDIT, RDAF -16s dont have the gold-tinges bubble, but the warshot/smoke pod combo doesnt make sense. And you can tell its a warshot, notice the missile is white, not blue.

You can not tell that it is a "war shot" from the colour. Blue "weapons" are drill and do not fly as a rule fly. They are used to train OTR crews in the loading of weapons.

The side winder ACQU unit has to fly with a real seaker head for the system to work so that the pilot would see the HUD info and get the growl of a lock on. What you can see is the first 20 cm of a real head bolted onto a sidewinder size tube to represent aerodynamics and weight. Also we are talking about a European Air Force, not what the US Air Force does.

Matt

PETA People Eating Tasty Animals.

B1 Boeing 737-800 and Dash8 Q-400

Back to top

IP Logged

Reply #17 - Sep 16^th, 2006 at 2:07pm

Steve-O Ex Member

I don't know. Looks like a shadow to me.
And if that is a shadow, which it most certainly is.
Then you wouldn't see any other shadows on the starboard side of the Falcon from that angle.

Back to top

IP Logged

Reply #18 - Sep 16^th, 2006 at 2:47pm

Mobius Offline
Colonel
Highest Point in the Lightning
Storm
Wisconsin

Posts: 4369

You can also see shadows above the intake. Wink

Back to top

IP Logged

Reply #19 - Sep 16^th, 2006 at 3:52pm

Theis Offline
Colonel
Always somewhere, sometime..
Rødovre, Denmark

Gender:
Posts: 6116

Quote:

EDIT, RDAF -16s dont have the gold-tinges bubble.

Sure about that? Wink

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0393431/M/

Cheers Theis

Bar by Mees

Back to top

IP Logged

Reply #20 - Sep 16^th, 2006 at 6:56pm

Steve-O Ex Member

Quote:

You can also see shadows above the intake. Wink

Yes, there too. Grin

Back to top

IP Logged

Reply #21 - Nov 1^st, 2006 at 8:34pm

elite marksman Offline
Colonel
Please upload all images
to Simv!

Gender:
Posts: 855

The aircraft still just doesnt look right. I can't really explain it, its just one of those things.

Back to top

IP Logged

Reply #22 - Nov 2^nd, 2006 at 3:27am

Hagar Offline
Colonel
My Spitfire Girl
Costa Geriatrica

Posts: 33159

Quote:

The aircraft still just doesnt look right. I can't really explain it, its just one of those things.

This is an official RDAF photo, also featured on a book cover. It all comes down to the question that has already been pointed out; what possible reason would they have for faking it? If anyone wanted to fake a shot like that why would they bother adding the missile?

Caption to the original from the link Theis posted. http://www.f-16.net/gallery_item20719.html
Quote:

Danish F-16A, #E-188, going ballistic. This photo is also used on the cover of the book "Vikings in the Sky" by Carl Bjerredahl and Capt. BJ Casello. [RDAF photo]

PS. The problem with the modern craze for editing photos is that nobody believes anything any more, even when it's genuine.

Founder & Sole Member - Grumpy's Over the Hill Club for Veteran Virtual Aviators
Member of the Fox Four Group

Need help? Try Grumpy's Lair

My photo gallery

Back to top

IP Logged

Reply #23 - Nov 2^nd, 2006 at 6:25pm

Felix/FFDS Offline
Admin
FINALLY an official Granddad!
Orlando, FL

Gender:
Posts: 1000000627

F-16s are fakes - they're just modded F-86s...

Felix/FFDS

Back to top

IP Logged

Reply #24 - Nov 2^nd, 2006 at 6:30pm

F-16Viper Offline
Colonel
Uno Ab Alto

Gender:
Posts: 1067

Quote:

F-16s are fakes - they're just modded F-86s...

My veiw of your hellcat has changed imensly...

Angry

&&&&Civil Air Patrol Member since July 2005&&C/CMSgt www.cap.gov

Back to top

IP Logged

Reply #25 - Nov 3^rd, 2006 at 6:51am

-sam- Offline
Colonel
. .. ...
EDDM

Gender:
Posts: 608

There is absolutely nothing faked in that picture !!!
It´s just an F-16 photographed out of probabely another F16. The lighting is absolutely correctly.

Regarding the lighting. Someone who hasn´ t extensive knowledge about lighting, exposure, diffusion, reflection,
absorbtion, re-emission, indirekt illumination,
white ballance, camera curves, perspective distortion and so on can NEVER tell if a picture is faked or not.. unless it´s faked that bad that you recognize the fake immediately.

NFo/Simviation Multiplayer Server.&&&&fs.netfrag.org:23456&&&&Stats: fs.netfrag.org&&Teamspeak: ts.netfrag.org

Back to top

IP Logged

Reply #26 - Nov 3^rd, 2006 at 11:09am

F-16Viper Offline
Colonel
Uno Ab Alto

Gender:
Posts: 1067

Quote:

I'd say it's impossible to say what altitude this photo is at. Somewhere around 30000ft wouldn't surprise me, particularly if the vertical climb is being held for the photographer...

Ahh, but it's not quite verticle... its a little backwards Grin

&&&&Civil Air Patrol Member since July 2005&&C/CMSgt www.cap.gov

Back to top

IP Logged

Reply #27 - Jan 14^th, 2007 at 12:56pm

Sobby Offline
Colonel
Scotland

Gender:
Posts: 676

that is a dummy Maverick missile on the wing tip. Not a smoke pod and not a Aim9

Back to top

IP Logged

Reply #28 - Jan 14^th, 2007 at 1:37pm

Theis Offline
Colonel
Always somewhere, sometime..
Rødovre, Denmark

Gender:
Posts: 6116

And Elite Marksman, how can you be the judge of, if RDAF F-16's have Gold canopys or not?
You don't even live in Denmark, you havn't even seen a RDAF F-16 before in real life, do you?
And funny enough, I found a picture of a RDAF F-16 with a gold canopy..
And you never answered to that new evidence..
Why is it so hard to accept, that it's not only USAF F-16's that have gold canopys??
And why the F*ck is it so damn hard to accept, that this picture is real???

Bar by Mees

Back to top

IP Logged

Reply #29 - Jan 14^th, 2007 at 2:03pm

Mobius Offline
Colonel
Highest Point in the Lightning
Storm
Wisconsin

Posts: 4369

Sobby wrote on Jan 14^th, 2007 at 12:56pm:

that is a dummy Maverick missile on the wing tip. Not a smoke pod and not a Aim9

Nope, wingtip mounted sidewinder, or an electronics pod used for various things in practice air-to-air combat. Only Sidewinders and AMRAAMs can be mounted on the wingtips. Mavericks can only be attached to the two most inboard pylons.

Scroll down to "F-16 installation":
http://www.f-16.net/f-16_armament_article4.html

Sidewinder loadouts:
http://www.f-16.net/f-16_armament_article1.html

Back to top

IP Logged

Reply #30 - Jan 14^th, 2007 at 3:01pm

C Offline
Colonel
Earth

Posts: 13144

Mobius wrote on Jan 14^th, 2007 at 2:03pm:

Sobby wrote on Jan 14^th, 2007 at 12:56pm:

that is a dummy Maverick missile on the wing tip. Not a smoke pod and not a Aim9

Nope, wingtip mounted sidewinder, or an electronics pod used for various things in practice air-to-air combat. Only Sidewinders and AMRAAMs can be mounted on the wingtips. Mavericks can only be attached to the two most inboard pylons.

Scroll down to "F-16 installation":
http://www.f-16.net/f-16_armament_article4.html

Sidewinder loadouts:
http://www.f-16.net/f-16_armament_article1.html

And the fact it looks nothing like the nose of a Maverick...

Back to top

IP Logged

Reply #31 - Jan 14^th, 2007 at 8:50pm

expat Offline
Colonel
Deep behind enemy lines!

Gender:
Posts: 8499

This thread has had more come backs than Bill Clinton Grin

Matt

PETA People Eating Tasty Animals.

B1 Boeing 737-800 and Dash8 Q-400

Back to top

IP Logged

Reply #32 - Jan 14^th, 2007 at 9:03pm

C Offline
Colonel
Earth

Posts: 13144

expat wrote on Jan 14^th, 2007 at 8:50pm:

This thread has had more come backs than Bill Clinton Grin

Matt

I've noticed. Mind you, at FlyPast mags forum, a thread was resurrected yesterday from 2001! The mod promptly locked it...

Anyway, we've established it isn't fake, and even forms the cover of a book. Maybe a helpful mod can lock this?

Back to top

IP Logged

Reply #33 - Jan 27^th, 2007 at 5:37pm

fighter25 Offline
Colonel
Dayton, Ohio

Gender:
Posts: 1272

It looks like an AMRAAM on the wing tip of the plane the person who took the picture is in.

Back to top

IP Logged

Reply #34 - Jan 27^th, 2007 at 5:41pm

C Offline
Colonel
Earth

Posts: 13144

fighter25 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2007 at 5:37pm:

It looks like an AMRAAM on the wing tip of the plane the person who took the picture is in.

Yet another comeback...

I think we've established two things:

1) It isn't fake,

and 2) AMRAAMs have nice pointy noses, so I think we've happily concluded that's an AIM-9. Secondly, it's quite an old photo, so certainly predates AMRAAM wingtip carriage, which has been relatively recent.

Back to top

IP Logged

Reply #35 - May 26^th, 2007 at 1:16pm

spitfire boy Offline
Colonel
Welcome to my world.
Wherever you think I'm not

Gender:
Posts: 2788

Aich... I didn't know people could get so snappy about a photo (if you'll pardon the completely deliberate pun) Wink

If it's real, it's a great photo!
If it's fake, it's a great fake!!

And you've also established that what looks like an ICBM is in fact a missile on the wingtip of the other aircraft. Does it actually matter what type of missile it is Questioning

&&&&[center]

Back to top

IP Logged

Reply #36 - May 26^th, 2007 at 8:27pm

C Offline
Colonel
Earth

Posts: 13144

spitfire boy wrote on May 26^th, 2007 at 1:16pm:

Aich... I didn't know people could get so snappy about a photo (if you'll pardon the completely deliberate pun) Wink

More a case of people continually ignoring the answer to the original question... Wink

Back to top

IP Logged

Reply #37 - Jun 7^th, 2007 at 3:11pm

LSmedley92291 Offline
Colonel
NHWG Encampment 2007!
United States

Gender:
Posts: 122

If it really is Danish, it's wearing the wrong colors.
If you look at the tail and notice the fin flash does not look like this (the Danish Air Force fin flash):

I don't know the one that is on there. It looks like Sweedish colors, but their roundel/ finflash looks like this:

Any one know who that plane really belongs to!?!
It seams that just as things are found to substanciate the valdity of the photo, things are found that don't make sence.
LSmedley92291

Back to top

IP Logged

Reply #38 - Jun 7^th, 2007 at 3:31pm

elite marksman Offline
Colonel
Please upload all images
to Simv!

Gender:
Posts: 855

Can we please let the thread die? I think it's been brought back to life enough, if you keep it up next thing you know we'll be locked in a mall with shotguns trying to save ourselves from the Undead Threads!

Back to top

IP Logged

Reply #39 - Jun 7^th, 2007 at 3:42pm

Hagar Offline
Colonel
My Spitfire Girl
Costa Geriatrica

Posts: 33159

Oh Ye of little faith. Tongue

Copyright Royal Danish Airforce RDAF

Please let this be an end to it.

Founder & Sole Member - Grumpy's Over the Hill Club for Veteran Virtual Aviators
Member of the Fox Four Group

Need help? Try Grumpy's Lair

My photo gallery

Back to top

IP Logged

Reply #40 - Jun 7^th, 2007 at 4:02pm

Tweek Ex Member

LSmedley92291 wrote on Jun 7^th, 2007 at 3:11pm:

If it really is Danish, it's wearing the wrong colors.
If you look at the tail and notice the fin flash does not look like this (the Danish Air Force fin flash):
[img]

Yes it does.

Back to top

IP Logged

Reply #41 - Jun 7^th, 2007 at 8:29pm

An-225 Ex Member

Just let this thread die. The aviation experts on this site, have already established, several reasons, pertaining to why that picture was not fake. Leave it alone. It will not kill you to ignore this thread.

Back to top

IP Logged

Reply #42 - Jun 15^th, 2007 at 9:33am

rootbeer Offline
Colonel
Fernley, Nevada

Gender:
Posts: 852

This picture ain't fake. Uncle Sam (or Helmut or Klaus or whomever) has the money to do it for real...

emachines T6212; AMD Athlon64 3800+ (2.40 GHz; Venice core); Allied AL-B500E 500W power supply; 2048Mb PC3200 DDR400; Westinghouse LCM-22w2 wide-screen LCD monitor; eVGA e-GeForce 7900 GS KO X16 PCIe video card; Logitech Extreme 3D Pro flight controller;&&Cyber Acoustics CA-4100 4-channel digital sound with 5 speakers; 300 Gb external hard drive in an enclosure; Windows XP Home; 3 Mb/s AT&T/Yahoo! DSL service; Microsoft Intellipoint trackball; Supergate EC-2000 multi-media keyboard. Epson CX-7800 Stylus all-in-one printer. Canon PowerShot S3 IS digital camera with 1 Gb SD card.&&Next thing: A CH Products USB 2.0 Flight Yoke (for enhanced realism).

Back to top

IP Logged

Reply #43 - Jun 23^rd, 2007 at 6:28am

Theis Offline
Colonel
Always somewhere, sometime..
Rødovre, Denmark

Gender:
Posts: 6116

LSmedley92291 wrote on Jun 7^th, 2007 at 3:11pm:

If it really is Danish, it's wearing the wrong colors.
If you look at the tail and notice the fin flash does not look like this (the Danish Air Force fin flash):
[img]

I don't know the one that is on there. It looks like Sweedish colors, but their roundel/ finflash looks like this:
[img]

Any one know who that plane really belongs to!?!
It seams that just as things are found to substanciate the valdity of the photo, things are found that don't make sence.
LSmedley92291

What have you smoked??
I'm Danish, knows the RDAF pretty well, and that IS A FRIGGIN F-16 from the Royal Danish Air Force!!!

The next one that will doubt the realness of that photo, and the next one who thinks that the F-16 is not from Denmark, are gonna get his balls dipped in marmalade, then shot at with Björns 88', and then I'm gonna finish him off with some fatal beatings!! Angry

Bar by Mees

Back to top

IP Logged

Reply #44 - Jun 23^rd, 2007 at 7:55am

Mictheslik Offline
Colonel
Me in G-LFSM :D
Bristol, England

Gender:
Posts: 6011

Theis wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2007 at 6:28am:

The next one that will doubt the realness of that photo, and the next one who thinks that the F-16 is not from Denmark, are gonna get his balls dipped in marmalade, then shot at with Björns 88', and then I'm gonna finish him off with some fatal beatings!! Angry

This picture is fake and the F16 is from the Antarctic

*runs off and hides from Theis and Bjorn*

Only joking Grin

.mic

[center]

Back to top

IP Logged

Reply #45 - Jun 23^rd, 2007 at 9:33am

Björn Ex Member

Geez, you get dragged into discussions sooo easily...

*Sigh*

*Climbs into Leo2*

*Hunts down Mic*

Back to top

IP Logged

Reply #46 - Jun 26^th, 2007 at 6:49am

expat Offline
Colonel
Deep behind enemy lines!

Gender:
Posts: 8499

No nothing, just bored at work and thought I would drag thread to the top again Smiley

Matt

PETA People Eating Tasty Animals.

B1 Boeing 737-800 and Dash8 Q-400

Back to top

IP Logged

	Search the archive: