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Aug 17th, 2006 at 4:09pm

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,,CT will enjoy this, no doubt.  Roll Eyes

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Reply #1 - Aug 17th, 2006 at 11:51pm
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Yeah, the FX series is terrible value for the money. It overclocks poorly and a Conroe that costs half the money beats it out of the box.

I don't know why AMD didn't cut the price of the FX in half. Maybe they know only morons will buy it so they might as well keep the price the same.
 
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Reply #2 - Aug 19th, 2006 at 11:22pm
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Yeah, the FX series is terrible value for the money. It overclocks poorly and a Conroe that costs half the money beats it out of the box.

I don't know why AMD didn't cut the price of the FX in half. Maybe they know only morons will buy it so they might as well keep the price the same.


The 5000+ overclcoked beats the FX62.. for less than 1/2 the price.

Also, the lastest real world tests are showing conroe is not what it was being hyped up to be.



 
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Reply #3 - Aug 20th, 2006 at 7:51am
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The 5000+ overclcoked beats the FX62.. for less than 1/2 the price.

Also, the lastest real world tests are showing conroe is not what it was being hyped up to be.

Yeah, but in them tests it's GPU limited, I could chuck my Prescott and it would probably get slightly less Tongue Do a 6600GT review comparing the AMD fx-62 and a 3.4ghz Pentium 4 and I doubt there'll be a diferance.
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Reply #4 - Aug 20th, 2006 at 4:32pm

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Also, the lastest real world tests are showing conroe is not what it was being hyped up to be.



Still better than AMD's preformance though, and its still by a margin.

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Reply #5 - Aug 21st, 2006 at 12:03pm

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Still not worth upgrading my San Diego rig though, not until I need to anyway, and then I can always pick up a cheap AMD dual core if I need to in a pinch.

But then I'm a tightwad  Wink

I reckon the video system is far more important at present anyway than CPU speed. I mean, a switch to Conroe would be nice, I just can't justify it at the moment.
 

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Reply #6 - Aug 21st, 2006 at 12:50pm
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Still not worth upgrading my San Diego rig though, not until I need to anyway, and then I can always pick up a cheap AMD dual core if I need to in a pinch.

But then I'm a tightwad  Wink

I reckon the video system is far more important at present anyway than CPU speed. I mean, a switch to Conroe would be nice, I just can't justify it at the moment.



and there you have it.... unless your running less than a good 939 system with a decent video card, upgrading is money DOWN THE DRAIN


When the newer hardware arrives next year having a conroe is not going to improve DX10  LOL!!

AMD knows that

Which is why they put thier investment into what WILL make it run better.


he he he


 
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Reply #7 - Aug 22nd, 2006 at 9:18pm

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Like what? K8L is only K8 with minor upgrades, and two more cores. Everything AMTi has said they are doing is 4 x 4 (which will suck harder than ViiV) and Torrenza. Oh yea, they are also trying to work on a project that will replace PCI-E x16.

Intel on the other hand is releasing Kentsfield at the same time as K8L and Torrenza. Its also planning to release a new core every two years. Now how AMTi plans to keep up with this I have no idea, they just lack the funds.

Ive said it before and I will say it again. AMD bought ATi because they knew that if they didn't merge with another company they would go under due to Intels massive wake.

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PS: I also find it funny that you all mock me for being an Intel fanboy when you all lash out against me when I bash AMTi
 

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Reply #8 - Aug 22nd, 2006 at 10:01pm
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If Intel or AMD had no competition I think the consumer would lose. I like having both companies around.
 
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Reply #9 - Aug 23rd, 2006 at 10:35am

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If Intel or AMD had no competition I think the consumer would lose. I like having both companies around.



Of course they would, if one was to go bankrupt the other would raise their prices to insanely high levels.
 

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Reply #10 - Aug 25th, 2006 at 10:45am
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Isn't 4x4 already out, but just for servers?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?N=2010200302+1071310162+1071518098...

Oh, and me want Dual socket 771 mobo with dual 3ghz Woodcrest + Dual Radeon X1950XTX. Grin Cheesy Wink
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Reply #11 - Aug 25th, 2006 at 6:59pm
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Ive said it before and I will say it again. AMD bought ATi because they knew that if they didn't merge with another company they would go under due to Intels massive wake.




Cam... I cant believe you would make such a statement when AMD spent BILLIONS... not millions for ATI

A company with that much capitol is not in any danger or coming any where near  going under.

Now come-on  Grin



 
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Reply #12 - Aug 26th, 2006 at 12:12am

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Cam... I cant believe you would make such a statement when AMD spent BILLIONS... not millions for ATI

A company with that much capitol is not in any danger or coming any where near  going under.

Now come-on  Grin





But when I look at Intel's worth vs AMD's worth, and the fact that they had to borrow money to make the transaction....... well draw your own conclusion.

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Reply #13 - Aug 26th, 2006 at 12:16am

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Isn't 4x4 already out, but just for servers?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?N=2010200302+1071310162+1071518098...

Oh, and me want Dual socket 771 mobo with dual 3ghz Woodcrest + Dual Radeon X1950XTX. Grin Cheesy Wink
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No no, those are server / workstations. The idea is for a media center or gaming rig. Useing say two FX-34s, and two 7905GX2s to creat a insane graphical expirence.

So in short 4x4 is suppost to be a gaming /  media workstation, not a rendering / serving one. Basically take VIIV and expand it. In my personal oppinion there just isn't enough market to make it worth it.

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Reply #14 - Aug 26th, 2006 at 1:42am
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But when I look at Intel's worth vs AMD's worth, and the fact that they had to borrow money to make the transaction....... well draw your own conclusion.

Cheers
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Borrowing is how it works. You don’t take your entire worth and liquidate it for a buyout. Even if you’re worth 500 billion you use the system so you retain your assets. It has less risk that way too. There are major tax advantages to borrowing that kind of money.

Intel would borrow to buy another company as well.. they are not stupid.  Geeze

You have allot to learn about business there kiddo.

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Reply #16 - Aug 26th, 2006 at 12:17pm
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Grin Grin


I was just bustin his chops and ragging on him...   Grin
 
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Reply #17 - Aug 26th, 2006 at 2:56pm
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AMD!! AMD!! AMD!! AMD!! AMD!!

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Reply #18 - Aug 27th, 2006 at 6:39pm
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AMD!! AMD!! AMD!! AMD!! AMD!!

Grin



DMA!! DMA!! DMA!! DMA!! DMA!!


LETNI - LETNI - LETNI

YAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaY TEAM!


I love a parade


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Reply #19 - Aug 27th, 2006 at 10:08pm

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Mhmm, have your fun boys, but lets review

Benchmarks that have been released since the chip has been released
http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.html?modelx=33&model1=431&model2=465&chart=170

And again price
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103757
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819115002

Again Conroe is the winner. So now what AMD boys? You bashed me when I orrigionally bought a 550J Prescott. You bashed me when I sat and got excited when Conroe was first being talked about. But the reality is its here, its the best, and you dont have to like it, but you should atleast agree that it is infact the best.

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Reply #20 - Aug 28th, 2006 at 2:01am
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I thought Tomshardware was stacked. Roll Eyes

AMD!! AMD!! AMD!!

Hahaha! I'm just joking I know Conroe is king.
 
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Reply #21 - Aug 28th, 2006 at 2:17am
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AMD sopposidly had to increase the voltage from there aim: 1.1volts to 1.4volts to get the wanted speed out of there 65nm chips. Wonder if this is true Wink Ouch.

Conroe can do it at what? 1.1?
 
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Reply #22 - Aug 28th, 2006 at 2:52am
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Mhmm, have your fun boys, but lets review

Benchmarks that have been released since the chip has been released
http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.html?modelx=33&model1=431&model2=465&chart=170

And again price
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103757
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819115002

Again Conroe is the winner. So now what AMD boys? You bashed me when I orrigionally bought a 550J Prescott. You bashed me when I sat and got excited when Conroe was first being talked about. But the reality is its here, its the best, and you dont have to like it, but you should atleast agree that it is infact the best.

Cheers
Cameron


Cam... Im not bashing you man... just ragging on you


Toms Hardware? PLEASE 
...

I dont think Conroe is a bad processor. But I do think anyone who goes out and buys anything right now is wasting money.


 
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Reply #23 - Aug 28th, 2006 at 6:43am

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one of the reasons I really hate intels because their processors are really awkwardly named so you never know what exactly your getting unless you take a close look at them, unlike amd which is quite simple (i think) though intels conroe is FAR cheaper than the fx 62 so it'll get a lot more sales but why buy now instead of waiting 3 or 4 monthsuntill the price falls even more.  Wink
 

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Reply #24 - Aug 28th, 2006 at 7:18am
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AAHHH you know what, there is no problem with getting an X2. wait, dammit! I need a 939... this is a perfect ebay time! i can find a 939 for cheap! i dont wanna hear about benchmarking and crap like that, cause its not like i have the money to turn to intel (and i wouldn't do it until after vista anyway) or go to AM2. i ran vista on a 3200 with a radeon X1300 512mb and no problems. I was around 3 1/2 -3 3/4 on the performance scale.

(im doing this to stir controversey Tongue)

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Thank you candle, now you can go back to winvista secrets Wink

I'm just screwin with ya. However for the same price as your precious 4400+ x2, you can get a E6400 and motherboard to match. Who wins there, you do.

And Ramos, why are you slandering the good name of the company that is giving you free Wifi? 8)

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Reply #26 - Aug 29th, 2006 at 3:08am
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I'm afraid I'm going with Cameron here Cheesy

Did the old CEO get fired or something? Because now they're making a new line of processors every 2 years. Pretty neat.
Netburst is like what? 6 years old?

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AAHHH you know what, there is no problem with getting an X2. wait, dammit! I need a 939... this is a perfect ebay time! i can find a 939 for cheap! i dont wanna hear about benchmarking and crap like that, cause its not like i have the money to turn to intel (and i wouldn't do it until after vista anyway) or go to AM2. i ran vista on a 3200 with a radeon X1300 512mb and no problems. I was around 3 1/2 -3 3/4 on the performance scale.

Intel processors are kinda cheaper than AMD at the moments Wink
 
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However for the same price as your precious 4400+ x2, you can get a E6400 and motherboard to match. Who wins there, you do.


so for the same price as a 4400+x2 I could have a processor that i've never heard off and no nothing about, and its name doesnt give much away either.
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Reply #28 - Aug 29th, 2006 at 6:36pm
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I'm just screwin with ya. However for the same price as your precious 4400+ x2, you can get a E6400 and motherboard to match. Who wins there, you do.


Yeah, except a good 939 mobo costs $90 to $150, but a Conroe mobo with the same features will be $200 to $300.
 
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Reply #29 - Aug 29th, 2006 at 8:09pm

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I'm up for an upgrade right now, but Nick N is right. It's best to wait for the hardware actually MADE for DX10 (and Vista, o'course!). Graphics cards, CPUs, the likes.

Like Nick said, any upgrade now is good money wasted.
 

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Yeah, except a good 939 mobo costs $90 to $150, but a Conroe mobo with the same features will be $200 to $300.


Not true. You can get a P5N32-SLi from ASUS for Conroe for just $210, where as the A8N32-SLi is $230. So the Conroe upgrade is still cheaper.

@wealthysoup: The E6400 is the Core 2 Duo E6400. Its the baseline of the high end processers.

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Reply #31 - Aug 30th, 2006 at 2:19am
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Not true. You can get a P5N32-SLi from ASUS for Conroe for just $210, where as the A8N32-SLi is $230. So the Conroe upgrade is still cheaper.

@wealthysoup: The E6400 is the Core 2 Duo E6400. Its the baseline of the high end processers.

Cheers
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The P5N32-SLi has to be the SE Deluxe edition for $240 because the regular doesn't support Core Duo 2.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?DEPA=0&type=&Description=P5N32-SLi...

A8N32-SLi is $170.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131568

 
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Reply #32 - Aug 30th, 2006 at 3:25am

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Sorry, had my prices mixed up, was thinking of the worng boards. However the M2N32 has droped price since I looked last.

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Reply #33 - Aug 31st, 2006 at 1:48pm
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Sorry, had my prices mixed up, was thinking of the worng boards. However the M2N32 has droped price since I looked last.

Cheers
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In order to get anything in NV for SLI or other upgrades your spending bucks Cam.... on top of that you did not even mention the MEMORY REQUIRED to run Conroe. No one is going to want to run anything less than 2gigs or it would not be worth the upgrade with VISTA and FSX.

You also failed to mention that to be able to overclock Conroe on a decent NV board (which is not available in 590 as of yet) your looking at memory rated higer than DDR2 PC800 because the NV boards that are available for core 2 SUCK for overclocking and need the higher spec memory to do it. That purchase ALONE is 400-500 bucks.

The bottom line with Conroe is you can buy a stripped down VW for top dollar or you can do it right and spend the money and have a GREAT rig.. That rig will cost you TOP DOLLAR no matter how you look at it.


AMD at least gives options. Intel forces you into the top dollar parts.


You cannot argue that... not even for a second and get away with it.

EDIT: And there is one more tid-bit you left out... On motherboards that do not come with a BIOS which will BOOT with Conroe,.. in order for the older Intel boards to even BOOT with Conroe installed you must have an temporary intel processor to put in the board and FLASH the latest BIOS. This is a issue that has been noted in many, many forums. Anyone with AMD that buys a cheap Intel board that does not include the Conroe stepping information in the BIOS is screwed.  

Some of the newer boards that do support Conroe even require the CMOS be cleared or the system wont boot.


There is allot of crap and hoops you have to go through with changing over to that processor.  Although I do not deny the fact that if you buy the RIGHT parts and make it worth the upgrade you will have a superior system (this year) I dont not think the typical AMD user is ready to shuck up the bucks for the RIGHT parts and go through all the hassles Intel requires for the switch.

To PROPERLY switch over to Intel from AMD and GET something worth the switch is not a cheaper venture as Intel fans tend to bull-shoot people into thinking it is. Sometimes they just dont know themselves because thier thoughts are clouded by the 'daRk-SiDe of the force.

  Grin Wink


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Reply #34 - Aug 31st, 2006 at 3:30pm
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Yes I do... It is very powerful


but at what REAL cost?


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Reply #35 - Aug 31st, 2006 at 4:22pm

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The E6400 is the Core 2 Duo E6400. Its the baseline of the high end processers.


So what's that make the E6300 ?   Wink

Decent Conroe boards are > $350 here, an E6600 will set you back $500 and half decent PC6400 cas4 ddr2 ram is $320.

That's about $1200aud delivered for a new core set Cameron. I only save $150 by dropping down to an E6300 as well.

I've been seeing a lot of your posts saying how Conroe is cheaper, but that's not true in my part of the world.

IF you mean cheaper than the ridiculously expensive FX60, then yeah, maybe, but there are plenty of inexpensive yet powerful AMD alternatives.
 

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Reply #36 - Aug 31st, 2006 at 4:48pm
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So what's that make the E6300 ?   Wink

Decent Conroe boards are > $350 here, an E6600 will set you back $500 and half decent PC6400 cas4 ddr2 ram is $320.

That's about $1200aud delivered for a new core set Cameron. I only save $150 by dropping down to an E6300 as well.

I've been seeing a lot of your posts saying how Conroe is cheaper, but that's not true in my part of the world.

IF you mean cheaper than the ridiculously expensive FX60, then yeah, maybe, but there are plenty of inexpensive yet powerful AMD alternatives.


In order to have the purchase be worth the time as an overclocker you will need PC2 8000 to make conroe sing Congo... price that and tell me where you stand
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I just read about a guy who's getting up to and over 500mhz fsb on his conroe o/c's, he has access to some Engineering Sample cores as well, and is running them without vcore increase at his max bus speeds.

I'm sorry I don't have the links, I was away when I read about it.

Ahh, but the point...... he was using G.skill PC6400 (800mhz) cas4 stuff  (HZ) and he wasn't loosening the timings, I wish I could recall what speed his memory was at   Tongue
 

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Reply #38 - Sep 1st, 2006 at 6:02am
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I just read about a guy who's getting up to and over 500mhz fsb on his conroe o/c's, he has access to some Engineering Sample cores as well, and is running them without vcore increase at his max bus speeds.

I'm sorry I don't have the links, I was away when I read about it.

Ahh, but the point...... he was using G.skill PC6400 (800mhz) cas4 stuff  (HZ) and he wasn't loosening the timings, I wish I could recall what speed his memory was at   Tongue



I would have to see that... is he just booting at that or is he running a SLI motherboard on that because from what I have read the memory must be preimo to run any of the decent motherboards and clock a conre to the max
 
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Reply #39 - Sep 2nd, 2006 at 7:53pm

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He was running combinations of 6300, 6400, 6600 cpu's on an Asus P5 series board, and a gigabyte (S3?) board.

He was verifying with a full 32mb run in super PI, which isn't the be all end all of course. Still, pretty darn good results.

Also, I saw some early conroe adapters here in aussie forums getting great results with the g.skill PC6400 ram, though one of the best results was obtained with an Engineering sample 6600.

I'll probably be going back up to my friend's place in a week, so I'll check the explorer history on his PC and see if I can get you a link. Unfortunately, my friend isn't proficient enough to search out that info for me.

Some of the expensive g.skill ram uses late technology chips, and the cheaper PK designated modules (the oveclocker in question was using HZ modules), probably use the older ic's. However, the cheaper PK modules still rate 4-4-4-12 @ 800mhz, so they are my choice at the moment.

I couldn't find any locally available OCZ with the same spec, at least not in a "normal" price bracket, and I don't generally research the very best available.
I figure if they have that much money to blow, they can do their own research! This is in line with my attitude of helping the majority of users, not the elite enthusiast. I guess we all need a niche  Wink
 

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Reply #40 - Sep 2nd, 2006 at 11:45pm
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Dosn't the Conroe work on DDR2-533? I found benchmarks comparing DDR2-533 to DDR2-800, and there was barely a diferance Wink
 
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Reply #41 - Sep 3rd, 2006 at 1:01am
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Dosn't the Conroe work on DDR2-533? I found benchmarks comparing DDR2-533 to DDR2-800, and there was barely a diferance Wink


Yeah it does, but let's see how it overclocks. Wink
 
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Reply #42 - Sep 3rd, 2006 at 4:59am

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Barely a difference in some applications and compared to some memory modules.

Going from 533mhz to 800mhz modules can mean as much as a 15% performance boost in some cases, and typically the difference is around 5% overall in gaming type apps, (stock speeds).

5% isn't much on it's own, but add together four or five such improvements and you start to get a significant advantage with a carefully chosen and balanced system.
Of course, if the faster memory is very expensive, it loses it's appeal to most people.

In Australia, we pay what the market will bear, there are few major distributors and price fixing appears to be the norm, so good deals on ram are difficult to sniff out.

A good PC hardware search engine with price based results is essential.


First, a disclaimer:
I don't own or haven't used Conroe cpu's or attempted to O/clock them, the following is only my current understanding of the issue when extreme overclocking that type of system.

Memory dividers (speed ratios compared to the FSB) are used when overclocking to give the ram more upper range as the cpu and front side bus are overclocked, otherwise the memory would fail as it gets too fast.

The problem with Conroes, is that they overclock so far that the risk of memory running out of useable range is very real indeed, hence the desire for ram that will clock beyond what would usually be required.

Ram timings can be significantly lowered so the ram will work at high FSB speeds, but lowering the timings reduces part of the overclock advantage.  This is why it's important to get the best timings for your dollar when you buy ram. The lowest DDR2 timings in a relatively inexpensive module are 4-4-4-12 that I've seen. These modules were offered before their time and retailers are able to add a price premium to them, as they compare well with very expensive modules.
 

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Reply #43 - Sep 4th, 2006 at 1:17am
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He was running combinations of 6300, 6400, 6600 cpu's on an Asus P5 series board, and a gigabyte (S3?) board.
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thats why

The P5 is the best overclocking board for Conroe. No Sli or other goodies though.  the Gskil memory is another reason as I think they are the only company that makes the better low latency sticks for DDR2

But they ARE expensive

Still a 500MHz O/c is impressive

I would be curious if he would be able to complete a 3Dmark06 run @ that speed

 
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Reply #44 - Sep 4th, 2006 at 12:01pm

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G.Skil was readily available here when Conroe arrived.

There were, I think, at least three different designations of G.Skil PC6400 4-4-4-12 modules with a gradient in price. The lowest price one had some odd compatibilty issue and wasn't compatible on all mainboards, it was advertised as "Intel Only" or similar.
http://gskill.de/product_sp2625.html

I was enquiring about them when supply ceased and they were replaced/superceeded by a slightly more expensive module supposedly without the compatibility limitation.
http://gskill.de/product_sp2630.html

The other types of GSkil PC6400 4-4-4-12 stuff jumped dramatically in price.

The ram is easily identified by the colored heatsinks, the colors are different for the various quality modules.
http://www.gskill.de/productsddr2.html
 

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