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Aug 13^th, 2006 at 1:43pm

Fr. Bill Offline
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Whether is was intentional or not, one of the largest benefits I can see for this "Pre-Release Demo" based on BetaX code is that - for the first time ever - ACES will have had their BetaX code tested on far more possible hardware configurations than before!

Considering the high probablity that most users of the "Pre-Release Demo" will actually press the "Send Report to Microsoft" button at least once, the resulting flood of diagnostic reports coming in should provide "Watson" a richer, more robust universe of error data from which to report... Wink

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I am personally more impressed than ever at the fortitude and determination shown by the ACES team, by being willing to endure the inevitable "criticism" that has transpired in a sincere effort to deliver a more robust and stable release product... 8)

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Reply #1 - Aug 13^th, 2006 at 1:45pm

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Considering the high probablity that most users of the "Pre-Release Demo" will actually press the "Send Report to Microsoft" button at least once, the resulting flood of diagnostic reports coming in should provide "Watson" a richer, more robust universe of error data from which to report... Wink

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Does anyone actually do that? I know I never have.

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Reply #2 - Aug 13^th, 2006 at 1:48pm

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I can't even remember the last time I sent an error report. Grin

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But I agree with you about the ACES team. They are clearly showing their determination to fix as much of the bugs as humanly possible by:

1. Releasing a demo so that we can test out our hardware without spending a dime on the final product.

2. Providing a tone a excellent graphics and new features through the videos, screenshots, articles, and now the demo.

3. Making the sim available to as many users as possible by making it work in Windows XP and DX9.

4. Allowing normal people like Robert Whitwell [the editor for the AvSim article on FSX] to come to the ACES team headquarters to test out the sim while it's still in development.

I'm pretty sure Microsoft has prepared itself for the heavy criticism and they probably have an "ACE" up their sleeves that could counter the heavy criticism. Wink

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Reply #3 - Aug 13^th, 2006 at 1:53pm

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Yes, I assume you are correct.
Why else would they release such a buggy demo?

I also assume they are monitoring the flight sim fourms.

However, I am a bit dismayed that they releasd such a crude demo at this late date with the final due in 2 months.

I hope they delay it a bit if nessary.

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Reply #4 - Aug 13^th, 2006 at 1:54pm

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Hoho,no one i know will do so.Coz nobodbody knows exactly what has been sended to MS. Grin

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Reply #5 - Aug 13^th, 2006 at 1:57pm

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I sent an error report and it crashed my computer. Roll Eyes

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Reply #6 - Aug 13^th, 2006 at 2:01pm

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The release of the crude demo certainly has not won over to many new simmers so far.

On the non flighsim fourms I frequent, the feedback is basically all negitive.

It they want to go mainstream with FS-10, they stil have some major work to do.

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Reply #7 - Aug 13^th, 2006 at 2:12pm

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I sent an error report and it crashed my computer. Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

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Looks like I'm not alone. Grin

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I once sent an error report after FS crashed, just out of curiosity, and my whole system crashed, causing me to restart.

I wonder if that was MS's way of saying, "sod off and fix it yourself!"

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Reply #8 - Aug 13^th, 2006 at 3:43pm

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I sent an error report and it crashed my computer. Roll Eyes

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classic microsoft.

bug report sent by flyboy
sending bug report crashes computer

MS reply
how did you send this report then

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Reply #9 - Aug 13^th, 2006 at 6:35pm

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"have an "ACE" up their sleeves "

Sleeves? you mean arse surely?

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Reply #10 - Aug 13^th, 2006 at 7:10pm

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Hoho,no one i know will do so.Coz nobodbody knows exactly what has been sended to MS. Grin

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Well, if you're all that curious, it's a simple matter to click on the "What to see what's in this report?" option...

...of course, if you ever DID look you'd likely have your eyes glaze over... Shocked

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Reply #11 - Aug 13^th, 2006 at 7:13pm

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Does anyone actually do that? I know I never have.

Then you have absolutely NO one to blame but yourself then if you don't take advantage of letting your voice be heard.

I have to assume that you don't vote then either... Wink

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Reply #12 - Aug 13^th, 2006 at 7:14pm

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I sent an error report and it crashed my computer. Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

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Sending the report didn't crash your computer, FS9 did!That's why the report was generated to begin with! Sad

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Reply #13 - Aug 13^th, 2006 at 7:17pm

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Then you have absolutely NO one to blame but yourself then if you don't take advantage of letting your voice be heard.

I have to assume that you don't vote then either... Wink

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Well, I haven't actually had an error message caused by FSX yet so I'm not blaming anyone for anything. Roll Eyes

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On the odd occasion I do get one I usually know what caused it without bothering MS.

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Reply #14 - Aug 13^th, 2006 at 7:58pm

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This is the only product line I know of that people continuously bitch about, but yet continue to buy. I bet that people that complain about the demo will still buy FS10, use it, complain about it, and want a fix and a new version.

Just my thoughts

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Reply #15 - Aug 13^th, 2006 at 9:02pm

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This is the only product line I know of that people continuously bitch about, but yet continue to buy. I bet that people that complain about the demo will still buy FS10, use it, complain about it, and want a fix and a new version.

Just my thoughts

Yes, that is true.
However, the MSFS team has said on a few ocasions that they monitor the flight sim sights and want to know what we think, including al the citical comments.

So, in effect, MS encourages us to complain and give them feed back. We would be remiss if we didn't offer construtive criticism

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Reply #16 - Aug 13^th, 2006 at 9:16pm

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So, in effect, MS encourages us to complain and give them feed back and we would be remiss if we didn't offer constructive criticism.

It's worth repeating the phrase....

As a general statement:
Anyone can moan and complain, but to offer a series of observations while providing the accurate basis for them, takes time and thought.

Example: FS-X demo graphics suck, plain and simple. On my machine, I get *maybe* 6fps.

Well golly gee, I'm using a two-three year old machine with an ATI Radeon 9000 Pro (64Meg video RAM), on a 1.64GHz Intel chip. Withthe defaults on, I actually get about 20fps (believe it or not, that's good for me).

Sure there are tweaks I can start doing, but I can recognize that there are issues with my haardware setup, because at moments, I get a flash of incredibly detailed scenery, buildings, etc., but then it reverts to a sort of blurred/washout out low res scenery.

I have to think about either upgrading (i.e. getting a new machine), or surreptitiously "borrowing" my wife's new Dell, now that her business (she's a Realtor, so if anyone's thinking of moving to Central Florida, pop me a note!) requires her to tote a laptop around. Yes, consider yourselves one of the many thousands of Beta-testers that Microsoft has suddenly obtained, but when you DO "complain" keep a "tester's mindset" ...

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Reply #17 - Aug 13^th, 2006 at 9:58pm

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I did say "constructive criticism"

On the other hand, MS does want that aveage user who is not that computer savy to get accepable perfomance.

I think we should allow MS to decide what is important to them vs what is just plain "moaning"

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Reply #18 - Aug 13^th, 2006 at 10:56pm

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Well, I haven't actually had an error message caused by FSX yet so I'm not blaming anyone for anything. Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

On the odd occasion I do get one I usually know what caused it without bothering MS.

Well, a fat lot of good that does! ACES needs to know what the problem is so they can collate this with all the other reports to determine a fix... What's so difficult to understand about that? Grin

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Reply #19 - Aug 13^th, 2006 at 11:00pm

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I did say "constructive criticism"

On the other hand, MS does want that aveage user who is not that computer savy to get accepable perfomance.

I think we should allow MS to decide what is important to them vs what is just plain "moaning"

The key word is "constructive," a concept apparently foreign to far too many people.

Trust me, given a choice, the nice folks at ACES would much rather have the Watson report than personal anecdotes posted on a web forum... Grin

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Reply #20 - Aug 14^th, 2006 at 4:04am

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Well, a fat lot of good that does! ACES needs to know what the problem is so they can collate this with all the other reports to determine a fix... What's so difficult to understand about that? Grin

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What is so difficult to understand about the fact that until now I've not had any error messages with the FSX Demo & I'm not complaining about it? Roll Eyes

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It also strikes me that if sending said report crashes flyboy's computer, MS will never receive it.

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Reply #21 - Aug 14^th, 2006 at 4:53am

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The release of the crude demo certainly has not won over to many new simmers so far.

On the non flighsim fourms I frequent, the feedback is basically all negitive.

It they want to go mainstream with FS-10, they stil have some major work to do.

It's not that buggy. I have only noticed 1 bug, and that was in the readme.

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Reply #22 - Aug 14^th, 2006 at 5:52am

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Thats what they mean by 'monopoly' dear chap

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Reply #23 - Aug 14^th, 2006 at 6:48am

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Half of you can't even get your FS9 to fly nicely with settings at max and you are complaining about FSX Roll Eyes

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