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Aug 1st, 2006 at 7:02pm
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I hope you all know what Im talking about, if not, you probably cant help me (sorry)

Im planning on doing The Hump in FS using the newly updated MAAM C-47.  Ive searched, but except for one article about someone who did it in FS2K, I cant figure out where to start and where to end.  Does anyone know of themost authentic route to take?
 
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Reply #1 - Aug 1st, 2006 at 9:35pm
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The only definitive thing I know about the route is it ended at Kunming in China.  Right now Im planning on following the route that I mentioned above, going from Dibrgarh to Kunming with a fuel stop in Myitkyina.  The entire route is about 470nm through the very tall foothills of the Himalayas.  I will most likely fly the whole thing by hand because I dont think it can safely be done any other way in the C-47. 

I will be doing the whole thing online, most likely on the SimV server, so anyone who wants to risk their lives can join me.

Details to come later on when the flight will take place
 
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Reply #2 - Aug 1st, 2006 at 9:36pm

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I hope you all know what Im talking about, if not, you probably cant help me (sorry)

Im planning on doing The Hump in FS using the newly updated MAAM C-47.  Ive searched, but except for one article about someone who did it in FS2K, I cant figure out where to start and where to end.  Does anyone know of themost authentic route to take?



I did some research on this a while back (with the same plans)... give me a bit and I'll dig up the links I found.  I really ought to get my MP capability working- that would be a fantastic MP tour.
 
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Reply #3 - Aug 1st, 2006 at 9:41pm

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This link might help:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hump
 
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Reply #4 - Aug 1st, 2006 at 10:30pm

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This link is great for any Gooney lover- just poems on this page (wriitten by Hump crews!), but dig the hand-drawn map, and the links at the bottom of the page...
There are also some navigation tips contained in the first poem, but you'll need a non-FS map to find those places, I think.

http://www.centercomp.com/cgi-bin/dc3/story?1431


A (remarkable) sample from the "Stories" section:

http://www.centercomp.com/cgi-bin/dc3/story?1221

See you at Yunnanyi... Grin
 
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Reply #5 - Aug 2nd, 2006 at 12:45am
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This link is great for any Gooney lover- just poems on this page (wriitten by Hump crews!), but dig the hand-drawn map, and the links at the bottom of the page...
There are also some navigation tips contained in the first poem, but you'll need a non-FS map to find those places, I think.

http://www.centercomp.com/cgi-bin/dc3/story?1431


A (remarkable) sample from the "Stories" section:

http://www.centercomp.com/cgi-bin/dc3/story?1221

See you at Yunnanyi... Grin



Thanks Rotty!  But I was wondering if you know whether they stopped at Ft Hertz and Yunnanyi?  Also, I dont think Ft Hertz is in flightsim, so do you have any idea what the closest FS airport would be?

EDIT: From the poem it sounds like they loaded it up with enough fuel to do the whole thing in one hop.  I guess Im really gonna have to push the dak to its limits, this will be difficult!
 
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Reply #6 - Aug 2nd, 2006 at 12:48am

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Go ask the CFS2 folks, I think they can help quite a bit.
 
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Reply #7 - Aug 2nd, 2006 at 1:11am
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Going off the map that Rotty gave me and some information I found, I am going to start at Sookerating (airfield exists in FS, a little north of Chabua), fly over (um...through) the mountains to Putao (formerly Ft Hertz).  I will not land there, just fly over it as a navigation aid (theres an NDB, but I dont know how to navigate using those Lips Sealed).  Yannanyi doesnt exist at all in FS, so from Putao I will go straight to Kunming.  Overall it is just under 500nm, will require about 2000 pounds of fuel (I will have at least an extra thousand (lol)), and will take just over 2 exhausting hours to complete.  I might do it tomorrow, I might wait till next week, who knows Roll Eyes

Wish me luck!
 
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Reply #8 - Aug 2nd, 2006 at 6:21am

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Going off the map that Rotty gave me and some information I found, I am going to start at Sookerating (airfield exists in FS, a little north of Chabua), fly over (um...through) the mountains to Putao (formerly Ft Hertz).  I will not land there, just fly over it as a navigation aid (theres an NDB, but I dont know how to navigate using those Lips Sealed).  Yannanyi doesnt exist at all in FS, so from Putao I will go straight to Kunming.  Overall it is just under 500nm, will require about 2000 pounds of fuel (I will have at least an extra thousand (lol)), and will take just over 2 exhausting hours to complete.  I might do it tomorrow, I might wait till next week, who knows Roll Eyes

Wish me luck!



If you're going to fly right over an NDB, using it to navigate is easy as pie. Tune in the frequency and follow the ADF needle (aka "homing"). No need to fiddle with the card- just keep that needle pointing straight up. With wind, this might produce a slightly curved course, but  doing it the 'right' way, by finding your wind correction angle right away and bracketing if necessary, like with a VOR, is not a big deal. I think the MAAM package includes a quick tute on how to use the ADF in the C-47... worth a quick look; it's really not complicated. But in any case, homing works fine, if you have the time and fuel.
A 500-nm leg is going to take you longer than 2 hrs in a C-47,(unless you get a 100-knot tailwind!)  especially with all that climbing, but with full tanks you should be able to go about 1000 miles, so you'll certainly make it.
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Reply #9 - Aug 2nd, 2006 at 6:31am

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According to the Wikkipedia article it sounds like parts to fix broken planes were in short supply, so I would assume the planes weren't particuarly well maintained.  Perhaps setting some random failures would enhance reliability?
 
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According to the Wikkipedia article it sounds like parts to fix broken planes were in short supply, so I would assume the planes weren't particuarly well maintained.  Perhaps setting some random failures would enhance reliability?


Huh? "Reliabilty?" Oh, you mean "realism", right? Yes, crawling over those jagged peaks on one engine would keep it more real... Grin

And overloading the plane adds the perfect touch... Grin

They tried to avoid both (flying questionable planes or overloading them), but it happened; they were under a lot of pressure to keep those supplies (esp. fuel) moving.
 
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Reply #11 - Aug 2nd, 2006 at 9:23am
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According to the Wikkipedia article it sounds like parts to fix broken planes were in short supply, so I would assume the planes weren't particuarly well maintained.  Perhaps setting some random failures would enhance reliability?


Um, not really cause FS random failures arent very good.  If you set it, it WILL fail just you dont know when.  Also you set WHAT you want to fail so thats another thing that takes away from possible realism.  Im not going to use random failures because I would trust my C-47 to put up with the flight and not fail
 
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Reply #12 - Aug 2nd, 2006 at 7:11pm
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MADE IT!  Me and jared just landed.  Wow.  What a flight.  It was such a test of endurance and gives me so much more respect for the pilots that flew this than I had before
 
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Reply #13 - Aug 3rd, 2006 at 8:54pm

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Um, not really cause FS random failures arent very good.  If you set it, it WILL fail just you dont know when.  Also you set WHAT you want to fail so thats another thing that takes away from possible realism.  Im not going to use random failures because I would trust my C-47 to put up with the flight and not fail


Not if you set it up right.  Wink

Go to failures, select random failures.  You can now set something to fail between XXX and YYY minutes.  If you're taking a 60 minute flight then set the random failure to occur between 0 and 6000 minutes.  You now have a 1% chance that the thing will fail during your flight.  Or you can pick whatever top limit you want, the larger the number the more reliable the system.
 
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Reply #14 - Aug 4th, 2006 at 6:39pm

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Not if you set it up right.  Wink

Go to failures, select random failures.  You can now set something to fail between XXX and YYY minutes.  If you're taking a 60 minute flight then set the random failure to occur between 0 and 6000 minutes.  You now have a 1% chance that the thing will fail during your flight.  Or you can pick whatever top limit you want, the larger the number the more reliable the system.

Good call - I think I'll set that for all of my flights, should make things more interesting now & again.

Thanks Chris,

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