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Jul 25th, 2006 at 1:01am

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Considering how technology has recently advanced for the FS series, one would at least wonder how FSX is going to run in order to combat piracy such illegal duplicates and such. I remember back when FS2002 first came out. People kept abusing the CDs since you could run FS2002 without the CDs. Nowadays, even when the CD is required, there are programs out there in the net [some of which are unknown to us] that can enable an individual to duplicate even the DVDs.

I am bring this up because I am a bit concern on how piracy can greatly influence our experience with FSX in the future. For example, I own Half-life 2 and I love it. The one thing I hate about it is the fact that I need constant internet connection in order to even play it. However, I understand that this measure by the developers was necessary in order to combat piracy of such an awsome game.

So, how do you think the pirateers of today will affect the sim of tomorrow?
 
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Reply #1 - Jul 25th, 2006 at 1:14am

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"Tomorrow", you won't have any CD any more.
You will pay, for each game, some money to get an online direct access to the files, because hopefully the connections will be fast enough.

So the brands will keep the files on their servers, and you will have to pay monthly to be able to read them.

This will eradicate the problem of data growth as well, we won't have to wonder on how many microdrives FS XV will be shipped Smiley

It would be exactely like google earth, but in payware. You download a very basic application base, and then this application must read its data from the internet, because it would require several gigabytes on your hardrive to store all this data.
 
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Reply #2 - Jul 25th, 2006 at 1:30am

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The problem is whilst in places like the US or Britain with good broadband access that might be feasible the rest of the world can't cope.
I live in a country where ADSL is seen as posh! A lot of people still use dial-up and broadband is as mythical as honest politicians!
I think some kind of verification code is the answer that just quickly confirms online and allows the program to run. I'm sure the crackers out there will find a way round it eventually but it'll keep most on the level.
You'll never be able to stop piracy. It is one of those things and the race between hacker and security expert is always led by the hacker...
 

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Reply #3 - Jul 25th, 2006 at 2:09am

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All of what Ozzy said is very true. I also live in country where broadbrand would be nice and we are now just moving away from 56K dial-up into 128-1444Ks DSL.

As for piracy, nowadays the awsner towards piracy protection is leaning more towards hardware and away from software. My research on Blu-Ray on wikipedia, for example, brought some intersting and astounding security measures, such as dynamically changing cryptographic keys (cracked keys can be changed my the manufacturer and and implemented into the newer discs), and limited copy liscences (further copies must be paid for via online registration).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu_ray#Digital_rights_management
As for the forms of security where an online connection to servers, these types are almost impossible to beat. Havent heard of any way past that yet.
 

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Reply #4 - Jul 25th, 2006 at 3:32am

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There are ways to spoof such programs Mouse. When I was doing my IT diploma a lot of what we did was security and encryption (almost 2 years in fact) and I learnt a lot of stuff that would shock and amaze people.
I have a number of theories as to how to cut down piracy but as I've only ever released stuff I've done as freeware I'm probably not the voice of authority.
With Vista and its new security devices (particularly hardware ones) things will move up a step but it won't be long before the hackers and crackers are ahead again.
There aren't any simple solutions. I can remember back in the days of the ZX Spectrum when copying a game just needed a tape-to-tape deck and a company introduced a device you had to hold to the screen to decode the security program so you could access the game (Elite), so a company made a device that you plugged into your Speccie and pressed the button on top and could save the game from that point. So once you'd gone past the security you saved it and when you loaded her from tape again you'd bypassed the security!
It is a never ending race...
 

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Reply #5 - Jul 25th, 2006 at 6:20am

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I don't see piracy being a problem with FSX. Grin


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Reply #6 - Jul 25th, 2006 at 6:38pm
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1. Develop an operating system that is designed for scanning what is being installed into it which also verifies the software.

2. Develop hardware which works with the security features designed into the OS.

3. Market the security features to large firms who are tired of having their investments stolen.

4. As the market grows the cost will drop allowing smaller software companies the opportunity to have the same protection.

5. Eventually the cost will drop to a level where any software producer can afford the protection.


Hmmmmm... I wonder if that is has already been done or in the works  Roll Eyes


 
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Reply #7 - Jul 25th, 2006 at 7:20pm

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It is a good thread and question. I won't be surprised if they make some software that makes all copying of files impossible and to make a backup you would have to do it through a system that would store it within the sim (which couldn't be copied or transferred). They probably have some sort of technology almost perfected already, but these things takes ages to come out.

Random question but, do you have broadband Mark?
 

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Reply #8 - Jul 26th, 2006 at 3:05am

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Ha ha ha Ben! Broadband doesn't even exist over here!
 

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Reply #9 - Jul 26th, 2006 at 4:08am

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What always drives me round the bend is the assumption that everyone and his dog has an Internet Connection! to be able to download data.... Angry...!
I wouldn't mind betting that many folks who purchase computer games don't have/cannot afford an Internet connection to enable their new computer game to run... Angry...!

I am driven up the wall upon hearing/reading in the media every few minutes.....
..."go to.. [url=WWW. whatever.com]WWW. whatever.com[/url] for details".
...when the person involved doesn't even have a computer...!!
Flippin' Norah... Angry...!

Paul...One of the lucky? ones, with a computer, and access to the 'Net... Roll Eyes...?
 

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Reply #10 - Jul 26th, 2006 at 4:19am

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What always drives me round the bend is the assumption that everyone and his dog has an Internet Connection! to be able to download data.... Angry...!

Indeed. This also applies to mobile phones.* Angry

*PS. They appear to be called cell phones nowadays. I expect it will soon be possible to play FSX on the blasted things. Roll Eyes
 

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Reply #11 - Jul 26th, 2006 at 4:21am

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Doug cell phone is the correct name for them from a technical standpoint as the work on a cellular system to enable efficient communication Wink
 

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Reply #12 - Jul 26th, 2006 at 4:28am

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I always thought "cellular" referred to part of a living organism which contains cells... Embarrassed...!

Alcatraz was cellular...
...that contained lots of cells...

Mobile phones are still a mystery to me...
...like the cells in my aged body... Cry...!

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Reply #13 - Jul 26th, 2006 at 6:31am

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http://www.howstuffworks.com/cell-phone.htm
There is a nice diagram showing the idea of cellular coverage Wink
 

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Reply #14 - Jul 26th, 2006 at 6:39am

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http://www.howstuffworks.com/cell-phone.htm
There is a nice diagram showing the idea of cellular coverage Wink


It still doesn't explain the change in the cellular composition of my Liver after six pints of John Smith's Special Brew...Cry...!

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P.S.  Notice that this thread has migrated from Piracy to the effects of Rum...  Wink...?
 

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Reply #15 - Jul 26th, 2006 at 9:41am

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I always thought "cellular" referred to part of a living organism which contains cells... Embarrassed...!

They used to have cellular underwear called Aertex or 'drawers cellular' in the forces. I don't think it was alive. Shocked Cheesy

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Reply #16 - Jul 26th, 2006 at 10:08am

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How about the cells in the brain? I know drinking can have an effect on judgement. Grin
 
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Reply #17 - Jul 28th, 2006 at 1:37am

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Honestly, you people and your cells . . . what really gets on MY nerves are those derned Bluetooth things.  I swear I turn and start speaking to the person, then they turn their head and look at ME funny because I'M the idiot talking to no one!  What a world we live in! Tongue
 

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Reply #18 - Jul 30th, 2006 at 9:32am

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I personally can accept some anti-piracy measures unless it makes all process of installing and running a game more complicated.And all this stuff with application components on remote server or protection implemented in hardware really does.

Developers must consider in wich case they loose more money-when using their software is simple but there is some illegal using of the product or where they invest a fortune into developing sophisticated protection wich makes user's life harder and finally they loose customers and finally even this superprotection is cracked.
If you remember something like this happend with products using starforce-after buying one or two products with this "protection"  remark "this product is protected by Starforce" on the box was enough to keep me away from this box,no matter how a game good.
 

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Reply #19 - Jul 31st, 2006 at 1:24am

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first i half to say arrrrr

2 i remember a game that took anti piracy to the next level.it was half life 2 you had to go online and decript all of the files.all i half to say about that is  AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Angry Angry Angry
that was so f$%&ing erratating must have taken 5 hours ahhhhh.

i really realllllly hope m$ dosent do the same thing
i hope the people in super computer land remember that there is still alot of people with out high speed internet for varying reasons.
 

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Reply #20 - Jul 31st, 2006 at 3:59am

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Even with high-speed internet sometimes launching HalfLive really sux.
When I just bought HL,soon after it was released,sometimes it started relatively fast,but sometimes it took up to 30(!) minutes to start.

So I want developers know that IM NOT READY TO PAY FOR PROTECTION wich more makes me angry than really protects the software.Honestly in this case I PREFER TO PAY TO PIRATES...
 

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Reply #21 - Jul 31st, 2006 at 11:47am

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Not to worry.  FSX will ship on two DVDs that may be freely shared among friends...

...because until you Activate FSX either through the on-line service or obtain an activation code via the toll-free phone service...

...FSX will only run in DEMO mode for an infinite number of fifteen minute sessions... Wink

NOTE: as reported by ACES at Oshkosh last week.
 

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Reply #22 - Jul 31st, 2006 at 2:29pm

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Not to worry.  FSX will ship on two DVDs that may be freely shared among friends...

...because until you Activate FSX either through the on-line service or obtain an activation code via the toll-free phone service...

...FSX will only run in DEMO mode for an infinite number of fifteen minute sessions... Wink

NOTE: as reported by ACES at Oshkosh last week.


If what you say is reported by Aces at Oshkosh, where is the article? In fact, do you have a link?
 
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Reply #23 - Jul 31st, 2006 at 2:52pm

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If what you say is reported by Aces at Oshkosh, where is the article? In fact, do you have a link?


How could I provide a link to conversations? Since I was there as a "volunteer" working with ACES, I had the opportunity to learn quite a lot...  8)

However, the idea itself is hardly news, as tdragger (Mike Gilbert) reported on this at avsim.com several months ago, as well as in his blog, and just recently news of a downloadable DEMO was made, which should hopefully be available to the public sometime in August.

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Reply #24 - Jul 31st, 2006 at 3:40pm

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Cell phone is the correct technical term
Mobile is the commononly used English term
telefonino in Italian.

If M(qualcosa)s had there way they would make everyone register with them when installing their software. In fact the early versions of XP did just that until M(qualcosa)s realised that that was actually illegal in most countries of the world!!!!!
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That's one of the reasons for one of the many Eu fines  M(rogues) are paying each day.

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Reply #26 - Jul 31st, 2006 at 6:13pm

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piracy will never end...it's just in human nature (well, some humans, anyway...).  Everytime a comoany gets a new security system, hackers get over it, even if it takes a few months, but they allways do...

I saw some people here talking about how good the HL2 was, well, I must admit that a friend of mine gave me a copy of halklife cracked...you didn't need any internet connection to play. just the crakced file and then a patch to the script that made the bad guys move...that was it. gae was working perfect.

I don't endorse or even agree with piracy, and that example was a one time thing, martly because at the time, I didn't have an internet connection and I must admit that I played the game...

Anyways...unfortunatelyt I don't think we'll ever get rid of piracy...though I don't think it is such an issue in a game like FS9, it's not exactly pirates kind of game is it...?
 

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Not a hackers kind of game huh?

I live in Thailand (which is like piracy central), and if you go around a PC game shop, they got the real-versions on display, and a draw in the back-room filled with copies.  I've seen FS98 to FS2004 in those places (+ much more).  The real games cost something like 1000-2000 baht (which, in thailand, is quite alot), but the pirated ones sell for 100 baht per CD (or DVD in some cases).

I'm freely saying this anyway, cuz let's just say that almost all thais (police too) know about this stuff, but don't care...  mind, that much...
 

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