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Jul 18th, 2006 at 3:47pm

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Yesterday marked the tenth anniversary of the crash of TWA Flight 800. This happened right off the shore of Long Island where I live. There is a beautiful memorial that is dedicated to those who perished on the beach in Smith Point Park in Center Moriches close to where the flight went down. Newsday, The local paper here on Long Island,  has a dedicated site to for this tragic event. Please click the link and navigate your way around the site. The images and sounds are quite moving...
http://www.newsday.com/news/specials/nyt-800memorial,0,1763784.story


The shouts and squeals of children drifted up the dune, mingling with the mournful words of politicians, rescuers and family members who gathered yesterday at Smith Point Park in Shirley to commemorate the 10th anniversary of the crash of TWA Flight 800.

As the children romped in the ocean below, their antics sent an unwitting message to the mourners who grieved in the sweltering heat -- life goes on.

Ten years to the day that the Paris-bound plane fell from the sky, killing all 230 passengers and crew, a crowd of 600 people sat under a blue and white canopy and listened to speeches. Every once in a while, they wiped tears -- or perspiration -- from their faces in weather eerily similar to the day of the disaster.

"We are taught to believe that a decade is a considerable length of time," Gov. George Pataki told the audience. "Today, I join all the people of New York in praying that a decade is enough time for comfort."

Time, the families noted all day long, plays funny tricks. Children are born, friendships form, jobs change -- and then a decade can seem like a very long time. But when your shoes sink into Long Island sand again, or when the television flashes endless footage of the disaster -- then, 10 years pass in the beat of a heart.

"It's hard to believe it's been 10 years," said Larry Siebert, of Jefferson City, Mo., whose two grown daughters, Chrisha and Brenna, died on the flight. "But then, when you're back here, it seems a very short period of time."

Later in the evening, family members prayed together before setting white carnations afloat in waters as still as those a decade earlier. Just after 8:31 p.m. -- the moment the plane disappeared from radar screens -- a Coast Guard cutter set out for the crash site, where they laid a wreath in memory of those who died.



A pain that never leaves

Many of those who came for the anniversary said they had hoped the gatherings would grant them release. Instead, they experienced the kind of intense pain that comes with prodding a wound that never healed. "It's been a depressing weekend," said Ted Harris, who was mourning his son Larry.

Heidi Snow, who lost her fiance, Michel Breistroff, said 10 years has done little to ebb families' grief. She founded and is now the executive director of a counseling organization that caters to families who lost loved ones in plane crashes. About a month ago, she said, families called seeking help preparing for the anniversary of the crash.

"These are trigger points," Snow said. "It'll be a birthday, it'll be an anniversary. It just shows you that it hits people at all different points in the process."

During the afternoon program, Rear Adm. Timothy Sullivan, who commanded the Coast Guard's fleet of rescue vessels after the crash, choked up when he described the sadness crew members felt upon discovering they would not save a single person that night. "My crew was quite frankly disappointed that we had failed many of you," he said. When he finished, the crowd rose to its feet in applause.



A final dedication

Yesterday's afternoon ceremony dedicated the final piece of the memorial to Flight 800's victims -- an abstract rendering of a lighthouse carved from 6,700 pounds of black granite. The 10-foot-high tower that looks out over the Atlantic is intended to serve as a metaphorical beacon, "to create a path for loved ones to come to us and for all of us, a clear light and direction to find them," said Harry Edward Seaman, who designed the sculpture and lost his cousin Michele in the crash.

The abstract is the centerpiece of the memorial, which was dedicated in 2002 and includes a garden and a granite wall bearing the names of the victims. The final piece sits above a tomb holding many of the victims' personal belongings.

When the hourlong ceremony had concluded, visitors were invited to stroll through the memorial. Children, many born since the crash, wandered through the garden, and old men and women hobbled in on canes. Pinned to nearly every shirt was a smiling face -- photos of the victims in happier times.

In the evening, family members gathered once again at the victims' memorial, this time to join in prayer.

The Rev. James Devine, who was chaplain at Kennedy Airport 10 years ago, evoked memories of the initial days after the crash. "We prayed together, we ate together, and we tried to support one another. We said in the beginning we would never forget," he said. "And we're here."

Ten years ago, TWA Flight 800 exploded on a clear summer evening, over waters unrippled by wind. Yesterday evening, time again seemed to be playing funny tricks. The sky was empty of clouds; the humid air devoid of a breeze. Six American flags hung limp along the path to the beach.

As 8:31 approached, the families, carrying white carnations and two wreaths, streamed down the path and gathered around a rowboat. Two lifeguards in the boat then rowed to a waiting Coast Guard cutter as the mourners tossed loose flowers into the rowboat's tiny wake.

At 8:31, two Coast Guard helicopters swept overhead, parting ways before reaching the assembled mourners. The lifeguards dropped one wreath into the surf and handed the other to the Coast Guard, which carried the flowers 10 miles to the spot where TWA Flight 800 fell to earth.
Ten year later Joy Lychner-Smith, 55, watched the wreath travel to the place where her sister-in-law and two nieces had drawn their last breaths.


 

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Reply #1 - Jul 18th, 2006 at 5:08pm

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In spite of Pierre Salinger's certainty that US Navy ships shot the plane down, it was actually ignighted fumes in the fuselage fuel tank.
 

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Reply #2 - Jul 18th, 2006 at 5:26pm
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Very informative and nicely written Dave.

The story was on the Discovery Channel the other night prompting many of us the next day to discuss the many problems faced with leaving fuel tanks empty to save weight and money.
There is a lot of research in Canada which has been going on for it would seem years now to produce and market an engine that does not use petroleum products.
Maybe it is time to tell the oil giants to take a hike and produce this engine for all modes of transportation.

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Reply #3 - Jul 19th, 2006 at 1:48am

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I can't believe it has been a decade Shocked I can remember it like it was yesterday...
 

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Reply #4 - Jul 19th, 2006 at 6:59pm

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Very informative and nicely written Dave.

Maybe it is time to tell the oil giants to take a hike and produce this engine for all modes of transportation.


Amen. Petroleum gives you a lot of bang for the buck, but between the danger, the waste (less than 30% of the available BTUs in a given amount of gasoline is used in combustion in most engines; the rest goes out the tailpipe or is given off as heat), and the inevitable geopolitical and economic problems associated with gobbling up a non-renewable resource, it's just stupid to not try something else.


 

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Reply #5 - Jul 19th, 2006 at 7:34pm

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I can't believe it has been a decade Shocked I can remember it like it was yesterday...


Was gonna say the same. Sad day for aviation. Was still at school then and on the day it happened I was flying back from a geography field trip to Morocco with good old Royal Air Maroc Smiley
 
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Reply #6 - Jul 21st, 2006 at 6:13pm

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I don't like conspiracy theories at all, but this one has puzzled me. Jet fuel (pretty much kerosene) is way more stable in a mostly empty tank than regular car gas.. Cars are way less carefully designed and inspected than 747s..  No car tank as ever just exploded.. and to date  only ONE jet liner ?

My brother and I tried to get a one gallon container holdin just a a pint or so of kerosene to even ignite.. let alone explode. We shook it, heated it.. applied an open flame.. No go.

I remember seeing an news interview with a C-130 co-pilot , right after it happened, who just said matter of factly, like it was already known and no big mystery.. that he saw the missile leave the ocean surface and strike the 747.. Of course he could have been mistaken..

I was just never convinced that jet fuel and faulty wiring caused it..

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I don't like conspiracy theories at all, but this one has puzzled me. Jet fuel (pretty much kerosene) is way more stable in a mostly empty tank than regular car gas.. Cars are way less carefully designed and inspected than 747s..  No car tank as ever just exploded.. and to date  only ONE jet liner ?

I'm glad you said that. If I'd dared suggest it I would have been ridiculed as an old fool. Roll Eyes I must say that the official story never quite convinced me. Of course, most car fuel tanks don't have electrical wiring looms running through them.

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only ONE jet liner ?

From what Alrot said in another topic about a recent CNN documentary there have been more than 30 similar incidents since the 60's. I didn't watch it so don't know how serious they were, which types of aircraft were involved or if they involved injury or death. There's apparently been 2 incidents on the ground in the ten years since the one we're discussing.
 

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IT was obviously the same German submarine that sank the Titanic, refurbished and updated to carry missiles.
 

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IT was obviously the same German submarine that sank the Titanic, refurbished and updated to carry missiles.

That went without saying really.
 

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I know.. I know... and I'll take the old fool label..

But I'm still not buying it. Kerosene isn't that volitale. That's why it's used in home heaters.. It's gotta be atomized and pressurize and exposed to more than a little wire spark to even ignite.. It has to remain under pressure, as it burns, to build explosive pressure (or thrust).

I'm sure Alrot is right.. that under certain, freak conditions it can be made to ignite in a near empty tank and maybe even burst that tank. But it would take WAY more pressure than that tank could hold.. A N D the atomized fuel would have to be saturizing the tank's interior .. volume .. like you were TRYING to make it explode..for it to explode with enough force to break a 747 apart.. The fuel tanks aren't grenade casings.. They would give way well before enough explosive force would build, to ammount to much more than a rough landing, for that rugged airframe.

I still aint buying it

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Of course, most car fuel tanks don't have electrical wiring looms running through them.


Many older cars had poorly designed, 12-volt fuel gauge sending units in the gas tank.. and there have been cases where MUCH more volitale gasoline was ignited.. But it never did much more than rupture the tank.. or "pop" the filler cap off.   Wink
 
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The discovery channel pretty much put to rest the missile theory.  I don't feel like typing paragraphs, but I was well convinced.  Besides, considering the so-called US Navy missile theory, since when have the navy tested ordinance off the coast of Long Island?
 

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Speaking of jet fuel and fuel tanks.  Take of look at this video.  I'm sure alot of you have seen this before.  I worked on this project when I used to work at NASA.  I spent alot of time working on and in this plane.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRfRHgOUkCo&mode=related&search=
 

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Reply #13 - Jul 25th, 2006 at 3:39pm

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I never did think it was a Navy missile. I'm not even sure it was a missile.. I could have been a bomb.

Trust me.. I'm the last person who humors conspiracies. For one.. You'd have to convince me of a motive..

I'm just having trouble believing a fuel tank could explode like that. Even to get a fire (like the video).. you have to go out of your way to set up the conditions.. Like deliberately, mechanically rupturing FULL fuel tanks and exposing them to jet engine exhaust. (and if I'm not mistaken.. there were ground based igniters at that test too.. to insure ignition)

Jet fuel isn't like gasoline. Just the vapors that would accumulate in a mostly empty tank aren't enough for an explosive force.. even if the fuel tank would allow the force to accumulate to blast pressure .. EVEN IF you could get it to ignite with just a spark. And even if Jet fuel WAS as volitale as gasoline..Same deal.. you'd have to set out intending to cause an explosion.. using something other than a vented, thin-walled fuel tank.. Else cars would have been exploding all over the place.. quite often.
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