Simviation Forum - Boeing vs Airbus

Reply #60 - Jul 11^th, 2006 at 5:56pm

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Oh darn
How come I'm always the one who never gets it??
Never!
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Reply #61 - Jul 11^th, 2006 at 5:58pm

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Oh darn
How come I'm always the one who never gets it??
Never!
???

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I think this whole thread is impossible to really take seriously anymore. Grin

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Reply #62 - Jul 11^th, 2006 at 6:00pm

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Off topic and out of line - as always. Grin

But what the hell....
At least we're consistent!

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Reply #63 - Jul 12^th, 2006 at 9:44am

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I am english but, going aginst the trend in this thread, my loyalties stand firmly with boeing. they are a more established company and having all the facilities under one roof (metaphorically guys...) is a definate positive. Sure, Airbus' plants are scattered all over Europe - France, UK, Germany & Spain, which although good for the EU, is uneconomical and has lead to some serious design blunders. I cant find it anywhere on the net, but I remember a few years ago, some parts didnt fit correctly since, if i remember rightly, the designers were using different sets of tolerences on drawings in different countries. It wont happen again Im sure, but it does highlight the problems with manufacturing an aircraft in several countries. For this reason I think boeing have the bestter set-up

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I thought the 777-200LR holds the record for longest flight of a passenger aircraft....

I believe the A340 holds the record for the longest non-stop passenger flight, Newark - Singapore. I read in a magazine that people paid several thousands of dollars just to be on the first flight, and then to return on the same plane on the return leg! crazy!

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Reply #64 - Jul 12^th, 2006 at 9:51am

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A380 had to get a new tailfin, it had a length error of 6mm
Could've happened anywhere with a totally new production.

Boeing transports their 737 fuselages by train to the assembly line, for the record.

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Reply #65 - Jul 12^th, 2006 at 9:51am

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I am english but, going aginst the trend in this thread, my loyalties stand firmly with boeing. they are a more established company and having all the facilities under one roof (metaphorically guys...) is a definate positive.

This hasn't been the case for a long time. Aircraft manufacture is global these days.
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Mitsubishi Heavy Industries has shipped components for the 500th Boeing 777: the aft fuselage from its Hiroshima Machinery Works, and the tail fuselage and entry doors from its Nagoya Aerospace Systems Works. The company has been supplying Boeing with components for the 777 since 1993. The plane has been in service worldwide since 1995.

MHI participated in the 777's development as a risk-sharing partner in an international collaborative project also involving Kawasaki Heavy Industries and Fuji Heavy Industries.

Together the Japanese companies contribute a 21% share of the aircraft body, with MHI responsible for approximately 50% of the combined Japanese contribution. http://www.manufacturingtalk.com/news/myb/myb100.html

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Boeing, Sukhoi, Ilyushin initiate regional jet feasibility study

22 June 2001

Boeing, Sukhoi Civil Aviation, and the Ilyushin Design Bureau have said they will begin a cooperative effort to determine the feasibility of jointly designing, manufacturing, certifying, marketing, selling and servicing a new regional jet for global operations.
http://defence-data.com/paris2001/pagepa1114.htm

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Reply #66 - Jul 12^th, 2006 at 10:00am

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I believe the A340 holds the record for the longest non-stop passenger flight, Newark - Singapore. I read in a magazine that people paid several thousands of dollars just to be on the first flight, and then to return on the same plane on the return leg! crazy!

JB

I originally said that the A340 held the record, but a delve deep into the internet archives revealed that the Airbus intranet hasn't been updated for a long while and the 777-200LR has recently beaten it by an hour or so.

Oh well Sad

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Reply #67 - Jul 12^th, 2006 at 11:31am

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I stick by my opinion that Boeing is an 'in house' operation whereas Airbus is a collaberation between several countries. I appreciate that parts are brought in from other countries, such as electronics or hydraulic systems, but the majority of design, manufacturing and construction of the aircraft is done In the US. Whereas the components built for airbus in the UK, Spain and Germany are bits such as whole wing assemblies or entire fuselage sections! Which are then transported to France to be assembled along with the French built parts. The only advantages I can possibly see from this strategy are creating more jobs in the EU and strengthening the community as a whole. Does this out-weigh the very public blunders and economic costs of transporting these huge bits of aircraft thousands of miles across Europe?

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I originally said that the A340 held the record, but a delve deep into the internet archives revealed that the Airbus intranet hasn't been updated for a long while and the 777-200LR has recently beaten it by an hour or so.

Oh well Sad

.Mic

OK thats fair enough, but is this the record for the longest fght with regards to time?. I havent had the chance to do any research but the a340 flight I mentioned earlier was definatly distance, you say it beat it by an hour? sorry if I am being dumb

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Reply #68 - Jul 12^th, 2006 at 12:29pm

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Well, I'm an American, I work for a Brittish company with its fortunes tied (in part) to Airbus. So what will win out, my nationalism or my pocket book?

I'm a Boeing guy, but not because Boeing is an American company. I like Boeing because they are focusing their products away from the hubbing strategy and towards more direct to destination stuff. In the long run I think this will be the strategy for airlines simply because customers don't like connecting flights (I know I don't).

Boeing is also the more "Lean" company of the two. I, being a Lean Manufacturing guy, appreciate seeing things like the 737 assembly line, where they were able to cut their floorspace requirements in half while increasing production rates. Keep that material flowing!

Also, I grew up hearing the word "Boeing", so there's a certain romantic connection that I just don't have to the term "Airbus". To me, "Airbus" is just a company which makes flying busses.

Still, my financial success is tied in part to Airbus's financial success, so I wish them well. As others have said, competition improves the breed. And there are a ton of great things Airbus has done (although I'm not enamored by the A380 as I'm not a fan of hubbing).

Another Boeing plus: their aircraft come as default with FS9!

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Reply #69 - Jul 12^th, 2006 at 12:54pm

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I stick by my opinion that Boeing is an 'in house' operation whereas Airbus is a collaberation between several countries. I appreciate that parts are brought in from other countries, such as electronics or hydraulic systems, but the majority of design, manufacturing and construction of the aircraft is done In the US.

It's a lot more than a few components. Further to my previous comment I found this interesting article. Sums it all up really. Roll Eyes

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12652775/site/newsweek/

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The ultimate manufacturing race—Boeing versus Airbus—is evolving from a battle pitting America against Europe to a competition between two global companies. The national identity of their planes is disappearing, even as the transatlantic trade battle continues to boil over which side supports its aerospace industry more unfairly. Consider: 70 percent of the Dreamliner, which is due to take to the skies in 2008, is being built outside the United States. And up to 60 percent of the production work on Airbus's answer to the 787—the A350, due to launch in 2010—will be done outside Continental Europe.

Even more interestingly, the two companies' rival networks of exclusive subcontractors are evolving into one network, with many factories that serve both giants. The biggest beneficiaries will be contractors in Asia, particularly Japan and China, fueling a new trade worry that could unite Europe and America at a time of sharply rising concerns about globalization. "We're transferring lessons learned and new technology being honed to Asian [companies]," says David Pritchard, an aerospace expert at the State University of New York at Buffalo. "When the next-generation airplane comes along, we will have no base knowledge of how to produce it ourselves."

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Reply #70 - Jul 12^th, 2006 at 1:31pm

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It's a lot more than a few components.

Indeed, most of the 787's major structures will be manufactured by foreign engineering companys and not by Boeing at all...

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777-200LR has recently beaten it by an hour or so.

...with a complement of 23 "passengers" who were from the press and Boeing...

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Reply #71 - Jul 12^th, 2006 at 1:33pm

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Another Boeing plus: their aircraft come as default with FS9!

That wouldn't have anything to do with Microsoft being American would it?

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Reply #72 - Jul 12^th, 2006 at 3:22pm

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That wouldn't have anything to do with Microsoft being American would it?

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Oh yea, Microsoft and Boeing are conspiring to jointly dominate the real-world and simulated aviation world! Since Boeing needs a little help in it's world domination activities, I wouldn't be suprised if FSX ships without a stock Airbus. Roll Eyes

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Reply #73 - Jul 12^th, 2006 at 4:17pm