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Reply #45 - Jul 11th, 2006 at 6:44am

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If you watch any airbus vs Boeing thread you'll find most of the time  the americans on one side, and the europeans on the other.

Precisely. In the same way that people will invariably choose an aircraft from their own country in any 'favourite' discussion. This has been proven time after time on this forum alone & national pride makes unbiased discussion almost impossible.

In the end it doesn't matter what you , I or the passengers might think, or indeed what the aircraft might look like. It's all down to the customer, the airlines who will purchase & operate it. This choice is unfortunately influenced by politics. A great deal of money is at stake here & the success or failure of huge companies like Airbus & Boeing (alphabetical order) could easily affect the economy.
 

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Reply #46 - Jul 11th, 2006 at 7:18am

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Because France, Germany and UK etc all have a part in Airbus, and they are all members of the EU.
If you watch any airbus vs Boeing thread you'll find most of the time  the americans on one side, and the europeans on the other.


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Precisely. In the same way that people will invariably choose an aircraft from their own country in any 'favourite' discussion. This has been proven time after time on this forum alone & national pride makes unbiased discussion almost impossible.


I see what you're saying.. sort of. But you're also sort of making my point. In a patriotic comparison, the two companies are like apples and oranges. I suppose it could be made into a regional, loyalty thing; but that gets into some bizarre politcal issues. Which, as also mentioned as a deciding factor into which company gets chosen, isn't that much of an issue for U.S. based airlines. They've purchased a larger percentage of Airbus craft than E.U. based airlines have. Simply because at the time, the Airbus was the better choice.
 
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Reply #47 - Jul 11th, 2006 at 7:45am

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Weither you are an american or European, they have in common that nobody of them wants "their" company to come out short of the battle.

Some people in this thread have said that the competition is the best thing ever happened, and I wholeheartedly agree. I'd never hope that Boeing suddenly stopped manufacturing aircrafts.
The competition is healthy for the aviation industry as it forces both sides to progress all the time.

Boeing had always been the more conservative (if it's not broken, dont fix it)  while Airbus tried new solutions: first long range twin, FBW, sidestick, flight envelopes etc.
I know the big American airlines objected to twins in the beginning, so Boeing didn't want to take the chance. Airbus should thank them for that  Smiley

But I think we can throw the "conservative" label away now, with the 787 program. Because it's fresh, new and very exciting!


 
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Reply #48 - Jul 11th, 2006 at 9:16am

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I can't imagine having this discussion on any other form of mass transport. We happen to be interested in aviation but are a tiny minority in the general scheme of things. I really don't think the general public worries too much about which make of aircraft they travel on, any more than the make of a bus or train. Not that the average passenger has any choice in the matter. The main criteria have always been price & reliability convenience.

I don't know much about modern jet airliners myself & they all look much the same to me, especially on the inside. It's not always possible to see the outside before boarding & sometimes the only way I've known the type is by reading the emergency instructions. It's quite an eye-opener when I've asked friends which type of aircraft they travelled on. They usually say something like; "It had a red stripe down the side". "Engines? Oh I think it had four". "I forget the name of the airline."
 

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Reply #49 - Jul 11th, 2006 at 10:06am

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Haha, Hagar, none of us on this forum are "average passengers"! Grin
 
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Reply #50 - Jul 11th, 2006 at 10:10am

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I think that minority has changed. As in, as much as the airline industry has changed. The people who used to take fascination in airlines and airliners weren't that much of a minority back when air travel still had a mistique and magic to it. Nowadays, airports more closely resemble bus depots.

I can remember my grandfather.. he wouldn't get on a plane unless he not only had on a suit and tie.. but a hat and flowered lapel to boot. And my father flew every week for 30+ years. When I was younger.. I couldn't wait for him to get home and list the planes he'd been on that week.. and hear what he liked and disliked about each. He retired in 1993. The last several years of his flying weren't so magical. Overpacked jets and stressed out airline personel had taken the fun out of it. As a passneger though (and aviation enthusiast), he adored Airbus craft..

 
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Reply #51 - Jul 11th, 2006 at 10:17am

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Haha, Hagar, none of us on this forum are "average passengers"! Grin

Well, what is the definition of an average passenger? Forget first class for a moment. The "coach" class passengers are usually travelling on business or on holiday. In my own experience, the business travellers usually have their seats booked for them by their employer. This is very often determined by price or availability & they will have no choice as to airline or type of aircraft. By far the largest percentage of the rest are going on a holiday abroad. They book their seats according to cost & destination. It's very rare that they're given a choice of aircraft or even know which airline they will be flying with before they actually board the plane.
 

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Reply #52 - Jul 11th, 2006 at 12:23pm

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I can't imagine having this discussion on any other form of mass transport. We happen to be interested in aviation but are a tiny minority in the general scheme of things. I really don't think the general public worries too much about which make of aircraft they travel on, any more than the make of a bus or train. Not that the average passenger has any choice in the matter. The main criteria have always been price & reliability convenience.

I don't know much about modern jet airliners myself & they all look much the same to me, especially on the inside. It's not always possible to see the outside before boarding & sometimes the only way I've known the type is by reading the emergency instructions. It's quite an eye-opener when I've asked friends which type of aircraft they travelled on. They usually say something like; "It had a red stripe down the side". "Engines? Oh I think it had four". "I forget the name of the airline."


I refuse to travel on These New fancy trains, Tilting cant be good for you. For me it's steam all the way.

As for cars, dont get me started! I wont go in anything German or American (Or French)

Boats...I only travel by catamaran

Buses...Have to be proper routemasters otherwise i refuse to pay.

Hot Air Balloons...have to be shaped like Bertie Basset.



That will teach you for thinking no-one discusses what type of other transport they use. Grin Wink Grin Wink Grin Wink

Only Joking! Wink Wink Wink Grin Grin Grin
Good point.

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Reply #53 - Jul 11th, 2006 at 12:49pm

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I refuse to travel on These New fancy trains, Tilting cant be good for you.


So you do flat turns when flying then...?
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Reply #54 - Jul 11th, 2006 at 12:59pm

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ultimate rudder flying!!!

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Reply #55 - Jul 11th, 2006 at 4:44pm
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It's quite an eye-opener when I've asked friends which type of aircraft they travelled on. They usually say something like; "It had a red stripe down the side". "Engines? Oh I think it had four". "I forget the name of the airline."


I think its funny when I ask friends what plane they went on, and they have some comback like: "I dunno, Air Britain?"

Lol,

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Reply #56 - Jul 11th, 2006 at 5:31pm

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ultimate rudder flying!!!

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Haha, is that like drifting in the sky?  Tons of side skid.
 
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Reply #57 - Jul 11th, 2006 at 5:34pm

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As for cars, dont get me started! I wont go in anything German or American (Or French)

Why? My BMW is definatly one of the best cars I have driven so far.
And as for american cars, while they may cry at the first sign of a corner, or high gas prices. They are definatly comfortable long distance cruisers.
 
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Reply #58 - Jul 11th, 2006 at 5:40pm

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Actually Craig, I think he was being a bit on the lighter side, just joking around   8)
 
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Reply #59 - Jul 11th, 2006 at 5:50pm

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Actually Craig, I think he was being a bit on the lighter side, just joking around   8)

so was I Wink apart from the first bit Cheesy
 
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