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Jul 2nd, 2006 at 8:06am

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I have a water cooled XP2400+

These are the temps after being on all night with the case open and a fan blowing in from the side, fan was of for 10 mins before I took screen capture.
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Also think my HD's are maybe a little hot, I notice that my raid drives are not all showing as there should be 250gig (120 died). Are these normall temps?

Also is it possible for me to clock this and if so... how?  I'm going to build a new one soon so if it dies whilst clocking its not the end of the world.

Here are my specs,
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Any comments would be appreciated, would be good if I could tidy this and have it for FS only but think it would struggle.
 
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Reply #1 - Jul 2nd, 2006 at 12:33pm
Nick N   Ex Member

 
Where do you live? Saudi Arabia?

Either the temps being reported by the system are +10c off or the ambient temp in your environment must be 85 degrees or more.... either that or tower suffers from a serious lack of airflow.

I am air cooled and currently significantly overclocked. The folowing system has been on 24/7 for almost a week:
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The average ambient temp in the tower environment is 68-75F or about 19-23c

My SATA RAID array does not show in Everest... those drives typically run around 45c under heavy use.

My system maxes out @:

CPU = 46c
Motherboard = 26c
PSU = 39c
HDD = 43c

« Last Edit: Jul 2nd, 2006 at 2:26pm by N/A »  
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Reply #2 - Jul 2nd, 2006 at 1:30pm
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What software are you guys using to get these temps? I used Speedfan, but I swear to god the temps must have been wrong, any help?
 
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Reply #3 - Jul 2nd, 2006 at 2:11pm
Nick N   Ex Member

 
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I have a water cooled XP2400+

These are the temps after being on all night with the case open and a fan blowing in from the side, fan was of for 10 mins before I took screen capture.

Any comments would be appreciated, would be good if I could tidy this and have it for FS only but think it would struggle.


I just realized you are running an older processor... they do run hotter that the A64's. Even with that, if the temps snags you took were with the side of the tower off and a fan blowing on it for 10min,... either the motherboard is inaccurate - or - your ambient temp around the tower is very high - or - all of the above.

I have not run a XP processor for several years... as I recall it maxed out @ 55c and idled around 38-40c

I am currently designing a custom liquid system which, by the calcualtions, should run my system at or below ambient @ idle, including the GPU's. The rise should be less than 10c under full load. If I crank up the peliter on the radiator, it will run @ less than ambient under full load.

Right now I am working with the engineer @ http://www.tetech.com/ we are working out the condensation issues.



 
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Reply #4 - Jul 2nd, 2006 at 2:19pm
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What software are you guys using to get these temps? I used Speedfan, but I swear to god the temps must have been wrong, any help?



I posted from the same thing he did... Everest@home

I use speedfan as well.. it is correct on my system with the exception of the 12v rail. Unfortunately there is no way to apply a voltage offset for the PSU in speedfan so on my system it shows -.5 to -.6 less that the actual.

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In speedfan you can apply an offset to the temps and the fan speeds in order to get them to read/display accurate numbers. You should use 2 other programs to verify the fans and temps before setting the offsets.

Speedfan reads my temps and fans correctly without offsets.



 
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Reply #5 - Jul 2nd, 2006 at 7:31pm

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Not sure what is wrong with mine.

I do know that before water cooling my cpu used to average 55 - 60 C.  When I first installed FS used to push me to 40 but otherwise I was averaging 35 - 37 C.

I have (I forgot to put the power onto radiator) had my cpu temp up to 70 but only for a few secs.

the average temp in my flat is at this moment (Midnight) 27.1 C.

Here is the side of my PC:
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Sorry the arrows grew when I shrunk the image to 800pixels.  I know the airflow is not good, there is no way for me to put a fan in the front Sad having 4 HD's so close, they have been upto 56 C.

Will make sure any new comp has space inbetween HD's for either water  / vapour cooling or fans, did see mention of somthing called a pommy but not been able to find any info on it / them.

 
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Reply #6 - Jul 2nd, 2006 at 9:01pm

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OH MY GOD  Shocked Your watercooled with those temps?!

Dude you need to get a new case. Look at something of the size of the Thermaltake Soprano  or Lian Li PC60. Also clean up those wires!

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Its not the greatest pic in the world, but as you can see there are almost no wires in my case at all. Also if you'll notice I have a 120mm fan in the rear of my case, a 120mm in the front, and a 92mm in the window. All of this keeps my temps looking like this

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HDDs are 28C for the first one, and 32C for the second.
Remember thats aircooled

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« Last Edit: Jul 3rd, 2006 at 4:15am by ctjoyce »  

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Reply #7 - Jul 3rd, 2006 at 3:07am
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I am not sure.

But I do know my X850XT PE gets past 91degrees ingame Smiley no artifacts Smiley

I know the life of the card is gone, but I'm buying a DX10 card so, meh...
 
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Reply #8 - Jul 3rd, 2006 at 4:17am

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91C or 91F. If its F then thats rathar cool. If its C, then god I hope you like to watch cards melt.

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Reply #9 - Jul 3rd, 2006 at 7:52am
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Sorry for hijacking thread  Sad
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91C or 91F. If its F then thats rathar cool. If its C, then god I hope you like to watch cards melt.

Cheers
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91 Celcius. Heres screenshot Smiley
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/91degrees.x850.xt.pe.jpg

No artifacts.

P.S yes I will delete CCC and put not memory hungry ATI tray tools on.
 
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Reply #10 - Jul 3rd, 2006 at 8:13am

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Jesus H Christ privet Pyle. Do you like cooking your hardware? Wow, I think I just died a little inside.

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Reply #11 - Jul 3rd, 2006 at 11:10am

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With the current drivers, my GPU core slowdown threshold is set to 145 C. As a matter of fact, it never exceeded the low 60's.
 

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Reply #12 - Jul 3rd, 2006 at 1:04pm

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Usually GPUs Idle at around 36C, and max out around 63C.

Anything more, and change up your cooling solution.

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Reply #13 - Jul 3rd, 2006 at 10:52pm
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Usually GPUs Idle at around 36C, and max out around 63C.

Anything more, and change up your cooling solution.

Cheers
Cameron



ATI (x800 and up) will safely run @ 80-85c. I agree it is best to keep them below 70. The critical temp (point of no return) on the newer cores is 110c.

 
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Reply #14 - Jul 3rd, 2006 at 11:51pm
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Not sure what is wrong with mine.

I do know that before water cooling my cpu used to average 55 - 60 C.  When I first installed FS used to push me to 40 but otherwise I was averaging 35 - 37 C.

I have (I forgot to put the power onto radiator) had my cpu temp up to 70 but only for a few secs.

the average temp in my flat is at this moment (Midnight) 27.1 C.

Here is the side of my PC:
[img]

Sorry the arrows grew when I shrunk the image to 800pixels.  I know the airflow is not good, there is no way for me to put a fan in the front Sad having 4 HD's so close, they have been upto 56 C.

Will make sure any new comp has space inbetween HD's for either water  / vapour cooling or fans, did see mention of somthing called a pommy but not been able to find any info on it / them.



Something is not right... if those temps were recorded with the side of the tower off and a fan blowing on it I would start looking at the possibility of a blockage in the radiator, a warped CPU waterblock or an air bubble in the water system.

Even at that, 55-60c on a water cooled system, is outrageous. Your ambient temp will have a significant effect of the entire system. When the ambient reaches the high 70's and low 80's component temps become very difficult to keep down. Being your ambient in the middle of the night is close to 80F and how many drives you have crammed into the tower without good airflow, I can see why the tower is so hot.

I use a 120mm Scythe http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835185006 for the rear fan. With the rear fan @ 1600 RPM (full speed) you can hardly tell it is running and it moves ALLOT of air. I do not need it to run that high. It is set via speedfan to run @ 80% when the tower reaches 25c. Below 25c it is set to run @ 50% (800rpm) so my tower is quieter than a water cooled system when idle and runs around 29-32DbA under full load with all fans running.

You do need to get those HDD's seperated so air can get between them and get a larger fan on the rear. A top blowhole fan may not be a bad idea considering your room temp. Go with fans that are rated @ 1200-1600rpm @ 28DbA or less in noise. Use speedfan to control them so they only spool up to high speed when needed. Keep them @ 50-60% when not needed and the airflow should balance out the temps.


 
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