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May 31st, 2006 at 9:55pm

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Interesting read on the finalists for the name of the F-35, my favorites are the F-35 Reaper, and F-35 Lightning II.  Spitfire II just doesn't sound quite right for it...

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Reply #1 - Jun 1st, 2006 at 2:34am

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Can't they think of something original? Roll Eyes

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Spitfire II just doesn't sound quite right for it...

Indeed it doesn't. If they call it that there will be a riot. The Spitfire is unique. A thing of exquisite beauty & a national icon.
 

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Reply #2 - Jun 1st, 2006 at 5:55am
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Already had a long discussion about this on another forum.

I'll certainly be annoyed if they call it a Spitfire.

And if it's called 'Lightning', it should be called Lightning III.
 
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Reply #3 - Jun 1st, 2006 at 8:45am

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Reaper sounds nice to me, Spitfire is out of the question.
 

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Reply #4 - Jun 1st, 2006 at 8:46am
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I like Cyclone!

Also.. Black Mamba... too long....


 
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Reply #5 - Jun 1st, 2006 at 9:27am
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It should be original not a copy, just as the plane is.  Reaper sounds cool!
 
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Reply #6 - Jun 1st, 2006 at 2:48pm

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Spitfire, no, for the pure reason that the name "Spitfire" has no other meaning than being the name of one of the most legendary aeroplanes ever...

Lightning, Hurricane etc are fine as they have other meanings...

Lightning maybe - a little too soon after the EE Lightning for us though, although I expect we'll name it something different to the US, as with tradition. The F-4 Phantom is one of the only ones we haven't renamed...

Tempest would go well with Typhoon and Tornado, and maybe another name for the RNs variant...
 
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Reply #7 - Jun 1st, 2006 at 2:51pm
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Reaper has my vote, just as long as no "trying-to-be-funny" journalist calls it the raper.  You would have to be very careful of your spelling when writing about it  Tongue

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Reply #8 - Jun 1st, 2006 at 2:57pm

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The F-4 Phantom is one of the only ones we haven't renamed...


ACtually, it's the F4H/F-110 later F-4 Phantom II.....

the first Phantom jet fighter was the McDonnell FH

FH = Phantom (1)
F2H = Banshee
F3H = Demon
F4H = Phantom II


 

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Reply #9 - Jun 1st, 2006 at 4:28pm

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ACtually, it's the F4H/F-110 later F-4 Phantom II.....



I meant in the British sense - we normally give US manufactured aircraft another name, as in the way that the B-29 became the Boeing "Washington", the Wildcat became a "Martlet" and the TBM Avenger became the "Tarpon".
 
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Reply #10 - Jun 2nd, 2006 at 3:04pm

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Spitfire II? That's absurd! If they do call it the Spitfire II, it'll have to become a legendary fighter just to continue to legend of "Spitfire" (which I can't see happening Roll Eyes)

Reaper suits it, not sure why, but it seems to do so Cheesy
 

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Reply #11 - Jun 2nd, 2006 at 3:41pm

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Reaper suits it, not sure why, but it seems to do so Cheesy


Completely unsuitable in today's environment - gives the wrong impression entirely, particularly with current accusations surrounding certain areas of the military.
 
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Reply #12 - Jun 2nd, 2006 at 6:05pm

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I found this funny.
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Britain proposed Fury, a favorite of many Lockheed and military officials but a name that risked a trademark conflict with the Plymouth Fury auto, this officer said

Doesn't that mean technically the plymouth fury could be an infringment on the sea fury?
Shows what a sad world we live in, when an everyday word used by everyone can be copyrighted to a product.
 
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Reply #13 - Jun 5th, 2006 at 4:03pm

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Completely unsuitable in today's environment - gives the wrong impression entirely, particularly with current accusations surrounding certain areas of the military.



I like "Reaper", too, but yes, the biddies will have a field day with it.
Accusations aside, I think these nitwits expect the military to do their job without hurting anybody, even enemy troops. :Tongue
 

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Reply #14 - Jun 5th, 2006 at 5:16pm

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I like "Reaper", too, but yes, the biddies will have a field day with it.
Accusations aside, I think these nitwits expect the military to do their job without hurting anybody, even enemy troops. :Tongue


But there's no reason to have a name which actually is directly associated with death and destruction... Smiley
 
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Reply #15 - Jun 6th, 2006 at 3:30pm

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But there's no reason to have a name which actually is directly associated with death and destruction... Smiley

What about a reaper in the farming sense?  Grin
 

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What about a reaper in the farming sense?  Grin


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Reply #17 - Jun 6th, 2006 at 4:25pm

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F35 Amish? Cheesy
 
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Reply #18 - Jun 6th, 2006 at 5:10pm

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The F-35 Farmer Grin


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Reply #19 - Jun 7th, 2006 at 2:49am

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Reply #20 - Jun 17th, 2006 at 7:12pm

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TSUNAMI!!!!!!!!!! typhoon, tornado... tsunami! perfect!... even if i do say so myself, maybe i should copyright the name and get enough royalties to buy my own, now THAT would be a good way to roll up to uni in the mornings! Grin

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Reply #21 - Jun 17th, 2006 at 8:01pm

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All those suggestions are awful.

Spitfire II is just a abhorrance.

Lightning II also is pitiful. How can it ever live up to the EE Lightning?

Cyclone and Reaper. Better but still quite poor.


Instead of Black Mamber why don't they call it White Elephant? Grin
 

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Instead of Black Mamber why don't they call it White Elephant? Grin

Or they could call the proposed V/STOL version the Dodo Wink
 

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Reply #23 - Jun 18th, 2006 at 9:12am

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Reaper has to many religious overtones. The personification of Death as a living, sentient entity is a concept that has existed in all known societies since the beginnings of recorded history. Whilst there is no direct religious link with the Reaper, depending on your point of view there could be. "Death" takes you and then you are in the hands of God for what ever awaits you in the afterlife. In Islam, Death is portrayed as Azrael, the angel of death. In this day and age, with word play, the press, and people imaginations, too much of a link could be found between the two. In the eyes of some corners in the world, the aircraft would have been changed into an American right wing weapon of religion. Like it or not, that is the way some peoples minds work, at home and abroad. The last thing we need is the Reaper reaping in an Islamic country. Remember what a simple road traffic accident did last week. The tabloids would have a field day with word pun headlines that in the name of freedom and journalism manage to always inflame a situation, bringing The Sun to mind, at this point.

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I found this funny.
Doesn't that mean technically the plymouth fury could be an infringment on the sea fury?
Shows what a sad world we live in, when an everyday word used by everyone can be copyrighted to a product.


I think it's a bit of overreaction - I never saw any lawsuits when Ford marketed the Laser (rebadged Mazda 323) in the same market the Plymouth Laser was being sold....
 

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Reply #25 - Jun 19th, 2006 at 12:34am
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I think it's a bit of overreaction - I never saw any lawsuits when Ford marketed the Laser (rebadged Mazda 323) in the same market the Plymouth Laser was being sold....


And you should be sued for using the name felix!  Thats a cartoon cat!
 
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Reply #26 - Jun 19th, 2006 at 3:56am

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And you should be sued for using the name felix!  Thats a cartoon cat!


and a brand of cat food... Smiley
 
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Reply #27 - Jun 19th, 2006 at 8:21am

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and a brand of cat food... Smiley



You too "Charlie", you may have stepped on the product name used by a few drug barons. At least a cat food producer will not come after you with a big gun if you upset them  Grin Grin

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Reply #28 - Jun 19th, 2006 at 11:19am

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And you should be sued for using the name felix!  Thats a cartoon cat!



I think you have it wrong.   I should sue the creators of Felix the Cat, since the name's been in my family for generations - at least dating back to a Pope (ca.274 AD)

http://www.catholic-forum.com/SAINTS/pope0026.jpg


 

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Reply #29 - Jun 19th, 2006 at 9:39pm

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You to "Charlie", you may have stepped on the product name used by a few drug barons.


Let's not forget the VietCong! Grin

I'm late to this thread, but if she ever flies with the RAAF, it should be named the Kangaroo for its VTOL capabilities. Cause kangaroos can jump and whatnot. Smiley

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The Black Mamba is one of the longest venomous snakes in the world and one of Africa's most feared.


Who's going to be scared of a name of a dance? That's like saying "Oooooh, the F-35 Flamanco!" Tongue

Meh.. who gets to decide anyway? Probably some big-wig in a 100th floor office who dosen't care..
 
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Meh.. who gets to decide anyway? Probably some big-wig in a 100th floor office who dosen't care..


No, no, no. It will be decided by a committee who needed to spend some time in a top notch hotel in an area of the world that holds the lead in natural beauty, so that the members can soak up the ambience with a view to producing the best name possible.

Or the short version.

"Guys, we need a new name for the F 35, so first things first, how much can we screw the tax payer on this, I am thinking Tahiti"


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Is "Hummingbird" OK ???
Both F-35B and hummingbird can do STOVL/STOL!
 
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Hows about they call it 'Pig'.

I understand it's carrier capabilities are at the moment comparable. Grin
 

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Is "Hummingbird" OK ???
Both F-35B and hummingbird can do STOVL/STOL!



Been done before. LM would need to pay gazillions in royalties to use the DH.53's name... Wink
 
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F-35 [enter name here] ?

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Reply #35 - Jun 20th, 2006 at 2:26pm

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F35 Sh*te'awk!!! Grin
 

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Hows about they call it 'Pig'.

I understand it's carrier capabilities are at the moment comparable. Grin



Been done. The Harrier GR5 was in RAF circles called "The Plastic Pig" or "The leaping Heap"

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Ah, but those were just nicknames.
 
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F35 Sh*te'awk!!! Grin



Now that would get my vote Grin Grin

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Excellent. Now who do we submit it to? Grin
 

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Excellent. Now who do we submit it to? Grin


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Please post all entries on the back of a postcard to:

Lockheed Martin F-35 Naming Competiton,
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Actually, if you really want

Lockheed Aerospace
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Notice the numbers in the street address. Wink
 
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Reply #44 - Jun 26th, 2006 at 11:49pm
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They should go with Chicken Hawk.
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Reply #45 - Jul 7th, 2006 at 4:34pm
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UGH THEY CALLED IT THE LIGHTNING II!!!! Daft idiots!
 
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Lightning III it is then... Roll Eyes Shocked Grin
 
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Lightning II eh? So, which Lightning are they naming it after?
 

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According to the promotional stuff, both. They're naming it after the P-38 for the US and the EE Lightning for the RAF/RN. All very cunning, except that the RAF had one or two Lightnings on trial in WWII and there were also recorded occasions of them being operated by RAF crews in WWII too...
 
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According to the promotional stuff, both. They're naming it after the P-38 for the US and the EE Lightning for the RAF/RN. All very cunning, except that the RAF had one or two Lightnings on trial in WWII and there were also recorded occasions of them being operated by RAF crews in WWII too...

So it'll be the Lightning III in British service then. As they're trying to compare it to the EE Lightning do you suppose that the RAF will treat it as they did the P38. And christen them Castrated Lightnings. Grin
 

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Reply #51 - Jul 7th, 2006 at 5:31pm
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"F-35" it is, then!
 
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Do you think we on the forum have the collective power to give it the nickname of Sh*te'awk? Shocked Grin


Go forth to websites and forums and airshows and things and start talking about the F35 Sh*te'awk!!!
 

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Reply #53 - Jul 7th, 2006 at 5:36pm
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Why not call it the F35JSF? Easier to say than F35 Lightning (II)III

Stupid lockheed......do they have no knowledge of Aviation history??

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I actually think it's a pretty good name for the F-35, but I think it will still commonly be called the F-35, oh well. Wink
 

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Reply #55 - Jul 7th, 2006 at 6:49pm
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Do you think we on the forum have the collective power to give it the nickname of Sh*te'awk? Shocked Grin


Go forth to websites and forums and airshows and things and start talking about the F35 Sh*te'awk!!!



Actually I was thinking the same..

Do we as a forum have the power to change/ invent anything?
 
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Reply #56 - Jul 9th, 2006 at 12:56am
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I am not a big fan of the name, but it is good for an official name.  I guarantee it will have a seperate nickname, just like the A-10 (Official=Thunderbolt II, Not official=Warthog)
 
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I am not a big fan of the name, but it is good for an official name.  I guarantee it will have a seperate nickname, just like the A-10 (Official=Thunderbolt II, Not official=Warthog)



I think THE SLAP would be a good nick name...


..."Self Landing AeroPlane*"



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Stupid lockheed......do they have no knowledge of Aviation history??


I would think hope they would. Seeing as how that company paved the way for numerous accomplishments in the aerospace industry.
 
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They did? Wink Smiley Grin

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I love the way that the Lockheed website describes the EE Lightning as "lesser known". It's only one of the loudest, fastest, greatest jet fighters ever made. Tongue Grin
 

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Reply #62 - Jul 9th, 2006 at 2:06pm

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Reply #63 - Jul 9th, 2006 at 2:30pm

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What do you think they would have named the X-32 by Boeing? The F-32 Happy Duck? Grin
 
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Reply #64 - Jul 9th, 2006 at 4:47pm

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Nah, probably the F-32 Beached Whale or something Cheesy
 

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Reply #65 - Jul 9th, 2006 at 5:14pm

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I think Goblin II would have been quite appropriate...

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It´s official now....
The F-35 Lightning II

http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?storyID=123023088

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Reply #68 - Jul 14th, 2006 at 2:48pm

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Who made the original? Gloster, no?
 
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Reply #69 - Jul 14th, 2006 at 2:56pm

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It´s official now....
The F-35 Lightning II

http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?storyID=123023088

cheers,

Oh well, guess the RN will have their own name for it Roll Eyes
 
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Nope - De Havilland made the engines named Goblin and Ghost.

McDonnell made the original Goblin...

http://www.boeing.com/history/mdc/goblin.htm
 
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Nope - De Havilland made the engines named Goblin and Ghost.

McDonnell made the original Goblin...

http://www.boeing.com/history/mdc/goblin.htm


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Spot the difference.

Boeing XF32
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Basking Shark
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No?

 

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Boeing XF32
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Basking Shark
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No?



Same picture isn't it...
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Same picture isn't it...
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Reply #75 - Jul 17th, 2006 at 2:33pm

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those marketing guys at lockheed are really High on themselves arn't they, they wanted to call the 22 the Lightning II too, this from the same company that made the Original P-38 Lightning, come on.  I would have called it the F-35 Money Hole lol.  Couldn't they atleast call it the Lightning III, I mean that the YF-22 should count for something.  This is purely PR
 

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Reply #76 - Jul 23rd, 2006 at 2:42pm

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be glad you werent in the hangar the day they brought the 50/50 mock up of the USMC and USN/USAF the boeing X-32. you would have known immediately that this plane was not gonna be approved. designated as a fighter, who in their right mind would mount the gun INSIDE the intake!!?? thats just barely scratching the surface. i wont get into the other issues with this P.O.S. plane.

now, as far as the "Lightning" goes...its not fitting. lockheed, no pun intended, jumped the shark with this one. i think reaper would work, but everyone has to be PC these days. BAH!

a more fitting name for this plane would be something along the lines of maybe Aggressor, Shadow, Hawk Owl, Dominator II, Havoc II...maybe Facet? (more fitting for the 117 though)..i dunno, lightning just doesnt fit...
 

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