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May 30th, 2006 at 4:41pm

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So is DX10 going to be mandatory for FSX?
 

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Reply #1 - May 30th, 2006 at 4:55pm

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simple answer no. Long answer, it will be better for full compatibility.
 
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Reply #2 - May 30th, 2006 at 5:31pm

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Ah yes, the DX10 question.....

...CraigL had the right answer.  No it will not be manditory....FSX will run on DX9 and on XP.  But to get the most out of it you will need a DX10 capable GPU (video card) and will have to upgrade to Windows Vista.  I'm sure it will be well worth it for anyone wanting to upgrade....I know I will, not just for FSX but for the future of computer gaming I think Vista and DX10 will be a must have.
 

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Reply #3 - Jun 2nd, 2006 at 6:57pm

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I won't.

I'm getting sicker and sicker of the presumption of a single (no names needed) to feel so great to think to be able to command other's choices only by throttling the market.

Vista is, I'm quite sure, the swan song of M$.

Call me Cassandra, if you will...

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Reply #4 - Jun 2nd, 2006 at 7:42pm

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I won't.

I'm getting sicker and sicker of the presumption of a single (no names needed) to feel so great to think to be able to command other's choices only by throttling the market.

Vista is, I'm quite sure, the swan song of M$.

Call me Cassandra, if you will...

Linux, here I come.


Uh... I doubt Linux would be any different if it were in charge of the world instead of M$. Undecided

Besides, like someone else in this forum mentioned, Bill Gates started a computer revolution that led to improvements on computers. And don't forget that buying the upgrades is a choice made by comsumers who decide on their own free will. Tell me, did Bill Gates ever made you give up the old versions of FS [by force] so that you "must" buy the newer versions? Did you really think that computer programs of the future will still rely heavily on archaic systems like my long-retired computer that costed no more than $500 and "not" try to take full advantage of the latest harrdware?

Also don't forget that many of us have demanded better graphics and dynamics. To achieve such a level of realism, FS must have a better system for rendering if you want the whole cake instead of a slice. Look at IL-2 Sturmovik at Ubi Soft. Oleg and his team said that the new flight models used complex algorithyms that require more resources. Also look at X-Plane. It also requires resources to render the extremely complex dynamics and weather effects.

Here is my system spec:

Pentium 4 Processor with 2.4 GHZ
512 MB RAM
370 GB of total Hard Drive Space
ATI Radeon 9600 with 64 MB of Memory [plus the updates]
Windows XP Home Edition [plus updates]

IL-2, X-Plane, Doom 3, America's Army and FS9 are all struggling in this system that costed me $1,600 while FS95, Razorwork's Apache Havoc, FS98 and CFS1 are having a bit of trouble understanding my system.

So, if you feel that FS9 will be way better than FSX then go ahead and stick with it. But just remember that one day when you want to play the latest games and sims 10-20 years down the road you should expect to cough up your money for upgrading.

And one more thing:

Moore's law will always be in effect regardless if you choose the PC or the Mac. Wink
 
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Reply #5 - Jun 3rd, 2006 at 4:12am

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Oh so it now transpires you also need a new video card ! oh well.  Angry

The moral here is look at M$ business ethics: 'standardise nothing, always sell beta, never give em a good product cos if you do they won't buy another one.'

I'd hedge a bet that with FSX running on DX9 not only will it run p*** poor, certain features might even be disabled.

Of course every so often M$ are going to say "Oh look, here's a new package" They do it on purpose.

You don't really need a debate on Vista & DX10, we got shafted yet again and until there is a standardised simulator core, I won't be buying any more. Nine of them so far at ~ £50 a piece really is about enough now.

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Reply #6 - Jun 3rd, 2006 at 7:15am

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People here on SV moan constantly about frame rates even when they have top range CPU's graphics cards etc.  When those same people install FSX onto their current systems they will probably have a frame rate of 1 or 2  per week!!!

Only the most cutting edge PC's will be able to run FSX at a reasonable frame rate and certainly most "enhancements" will be disabled unless one buys Vista.

FS9 on a PC with good specs with the best scenery, airports etc will live on for quite some time. Many people are still using the earlier sims simply because now they get decent frame rates.
Personally I wouldn't consider FSX for at least a couple of years. A chance to have some of the bugs ironed out of Vista (it will ship with at least 33,000 as did XP on launch)
Especially as earlier this year M$ had to go right back to the drawing board 'cause it didn't work at all!!!!)
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Reply #7 - Jun 3rd, 2006 at 11:35am

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Uh... I doubt Linux would be any different if it were in charge of the world instead of M$. Undecided


In fact, the owner of Linux would.

Who is the owner of Linux, btw? I can't seem to remember.


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Besides, like someone else in this forum mentioned, Bill Gates started a computer revolution that led to improvements on computers. And don't forget that buying the upgrades is a choice made by comsumers who decide on their own free will. Tell me, did Bill Gates ever made you give up the old versions of FS [by force] so that you "must" buy the newer versions? Did you really think that computer programs of the future will still rely heavily on archaic systems like my long-retired computer that costed no more than $500 and "not" try to take full advantage of the latest harrdware?


I seem to remember someone say that the 640kb of the DOS would be anything the users EVER would need. I seem to remember someone say that internet was a fad, only to try and make "the Microsoft Network"... do any of you remember THAT part of PC story and how it so strangely sank?

Doesn't remember you of something he is trying to pass right about in these days? does the name "palladium" mean nothing to you?

You think it will come to pass or will be another "the Microsoft Network"?

Started a computer revolution... how generous of him and his LUCK (among other not so clean things), not ability in any field.


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Also don't forget that many of us have demanded better graphics and dynamics. To achieve such a level of realism, FS must have a better system for rendering if you want the whole cake instead of a slice. Look at IL-2 Sturmovik at Ubi Soft. Oleg and his team said that the new flight models used complex algorithyms that require more resources. Also look at X-Plane. It also requires resources to render the extremely complex dynamics and weather effects.


And we had the graphics... ONLY... attached to a proprietary and incompatible-with-the-past system attached itself to that scumbag that is the palladium, attached to a need of a CPU that it's at least 3000Mhz and 2Gb Ram and 300 GB HD.

You have any real proof of any advancement in any other field? Hand it over to us all, please. We need it to hope in the future.


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Pentium 4 Processor with 2.4 GHZ
512 MB RAM
370 GB of total Hard Drive Space
ATI Radeon 9600 with 64 MB of Memory [plus the updates]
Windows XP Home Edition [plus updates]

IL-2, X-Plane, Doom 3, America's Army and FS9 are all struggling in this system that costed me $1,600 while FS95, Razorwork's Apache Havoc, FS98 and CFS1 are having a bit of trouble understanding my system.

So, if you feel that FS9 will be way better than FSX then go ahead and stick with it. But just remember that one day when you want to play the latest games and sims 10-20 years down the road you should expect to cough up your money for upgrading.


Whoever talked about FS9 forever. And the flight simulators are the only kind of games I use nowadays.

With my specs, as in signature, I can run X-plane in a way I was NEVER able to run FS9. Let's not even start about the probabilities of running FSX.



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And one more thing:

Moore's law will always be in effect regardless if you choose the PC or the Mac. Wink


Undoubtely.

But.

Not.

In.

The.

Same.

Way.


Amen.


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Reply #8 - Jun 3rd, 2006 at 12:46pm

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In fact, the owner of Linux would.

Who is the owner of Linux, btw? I can't seem to remember.



I seem to remember someone say that the 640kb of the DOS would be anything the users EVER would need. I seem to remember someone say that internet was a fad, only to try and make "the Microsoft Network"... do any of you remember THAT part of PC story and how it so strangely sank?

Doesn't remember you of something he is trying to pass right about in these days? does the name "palladium" mean nothing to you?

You think it will come to pass or will be another "the Microsoft Network"?

Started a computer revolution... how generous of him and his LUCK (among other not so clean things), not ability in any field.



And we had the graphics... ONLY... attached to a proprietary and incompatible-with-the-past system attached itself to that scumbag that is the palladium, attached to a need of a CPU that it's at least 3000Mhz and 2Gb Ram and 300 GB HD.

You have any real proof of any advancement in any other field? Hand it over to us all, please. We need it to hope in the future.



Whoever talked about FS9 forever. And the flight simulators are the only kind of games I use nowadays.

With my specs, as in signature, I can run X-plane in a way I was NEVER able to run FS9. Let's not even start about the probabilities of running FSX.




Undoubtely.

But.

Not.

In.

The.

Same.

Way.


Amen.


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I'm not about to leave the PC world (to go MAC, even... bleagh). Only M$£€.

Only PC based Linux in MY future.


This is why I *try* my best to stay away from topics like this. It's kind of like politics. There's an elephant on one side and a donkey on the other. The elephant is stubborn because it never forgets and the ass is always an ass. Grin
 
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Reply #9 - Jun 3rd, 2006 at 12:53pm

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This is why I *try* my best to stay away from topics like this. It's kind of like politics. There's an elephant on one side and a donkey on the other. The elephant is stubborn because it never forgets and the ass is always an ass. Grin


You're right, Katahu.

And if you were from where I live, you'd know to what kind of people one always give the "you're right" phrase.
 

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Reply #10 - Jun 3rd, 2006 at 1:16pm

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I agree with ashaman on this, even if his method is a little unorthodox. Grin

Interesting to note he is from Italy. It does seem a fact that most 'anti-M$' rattlings eminate from Europe. There might be something in this, I wouldn't like to say for certain it was down to Europeans being less gullible, but I do wonder who it is on this planet who keeps falling for the same old tricks and keeps M$ in business. Whoever it is, it's not Europe.

I have a feeling vista, DX10 and FSX are not going to sell very well in Europe, certainly from what I am reading European simmers are less interested in forced upgrades than say those in the US market.

N.B. linux won't do you much good, not for flight sims.
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Reply #11 - Jun 3rd, 2006 at 1:46pm

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Europe won't allow Vista to be sold at all unless M$ allow third party software alongside their own. Remember the long court case????
And whilst talking about upgrades why are we still having to use IBM 1980's technology. Many early computers the Beeb for one (1981) had an operating system on chip and only used a hard  disc for data storage.
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Reply #12 - Jun 3rd, 2006 at 3:55pm

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The difference between us crazy yanks and the European folks is that we yanks have a mentality that encourages us to get the latest and greatest stuff that operates automatically with little human effort. Why do you think we Americans are starting to create houses that run on their own with a push of a button and are creating cell phones that allow us all to watch ESPN so that we can see the Miami Heat make it to the NBA Finals? Grin

What I'm trying to say is that there are Americans out there that are sometimes a bit too lazy to fiddle around with an open source system and prefer to let the computer do most of the work for us. Grin
 
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Reply #13 - Jun 3rd, 2006 at 4:30pm

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"Why do you think we Americans are starting to create houses that run on their own with a push of a button"

The above is the reason why America has more fat arses than any other nation on the planet.

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Reply #14 - Jun 3rd, 2006 at 10:58pm

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Do like I do......wait a couple years or more and by the software and system second-hand and save oodles of dinero in the process.
As far as Linux, it fills a niche market but as stated earlier isn't really a gaming system. There's no profit writing kick rearend open source games. I wouldn't be surprised if someday some corporation aquires the rights to it and it no longer is open-source. Remember, MAC OS was open source in the beginning.
 

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