Simviation Forum - Boeing 767-400

May 3^rd, 2006 at 1:58pm

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What exactly was the market that Continental and Delta needed this plane for? I know it is always described as their own "niche" market but what exactly does this plane have that other 767's cannot provide. And also why CO and DL not anyone else?

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Reply #1 - May 3^rd, 2006 at 2:03pm

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I might be wrong but I believe it was for trans-continental and US-Europe routes.
extra passengers and cargo was the reason. IIRC

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Reply #2 - May 3^rd, 2006 at 5:15pm

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but that seems a little over the top to get a new type of 767, why not just use 777s instead, or was there a reason like fuel consuption or something? ??? that has me confused now

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Reply #3 - May 3^rd, 2006 at 5:17pm

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because the 777 was too big for the shorter long haul flights and too expensive.

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Reply #4 - May 3^rd, 2006 at 5:22pm

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is there that much of a difference between the 777 and the 764?
doesnt look like that big i difference, but then again a
small increase in size = a huge increase in cost though
just seems like an awful long way to go to make a new version when there are 777s or even A330s and A340s to use.

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Reply #5 - May 3^rd, 2006 at 5:25pm

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you have to also factor in, the technological differances. The 777 is far more advanced than the 767. Also the 777 in its smallest varient carrys 60 more passengers in 3 classes and I believe over 100 more in a single class config.

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Reply #6 - May 3^rd, 2006 at 5:30pm

lilley Ex Member

well if boeing were making a new model the -400, wouldnt they put in the higher technology of the 777?

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Reply #7 - May 3^rd, 2006 at 5:32pm

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the 400 model is old. Its not a new design.

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Reply #8 - May 3^rd, 2006 at 5:35pm

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ah, thats where im wrong, o thought the CO and DL had it made for them because the 763 was not of the right capacity, i thought it was a recent thing. Blonde moment, dont worry about them, you'll get used to them eventually

james

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Reply #9 - May 3^rd, 2006 at 5:55pm

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764 has 777 cockpit layout, but lacks the software technology of the triple 7.
However, the wing tips has been given a fresh improvements, sporting the same drag reducing wing tips of the 777's.

But yes...it's apparantly in its own "Niche "market Grin

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Reply #10 - May 4^th, 2006 at 2:51pm

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Thanks for that everybody, very interesting. Stingy people really aren't they are DL and CO? Grin

only joking happy days.

Rich

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Reply #11 - May 8^th, 2006 at 2:01pm

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another thing to consider is pilot training... 757 and 767 type ratings are one in the same i believe... this way all their 757 guys could transfer to 767 flying without additional type training. this is another $$$ saver for the company.

thats one reason that southwest is doing so well is because the cost of pilot training is way down. you HAVE to have a 737 type to hire on at southwest. and since their whole fleet is one 737 type or another their training costs are about as cheap as possible. whereas with delta and American and other Legacy air carriers who operate several different types have to spend money on pilot training... lots of money.

given the differences between the 767 and the 777 i think it would be wise to buy the 76 and save the training costs. IMHO

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Reply #12 - May 8^th, 2006 at 2:06pm

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Both companies operated the 767 before buying the 400 series anyway. Wink

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