Yesterday Hitler shot himself and today marks the 61st anniversary of the end of WWII.



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I always thought the end of WW2 fighting came in August/September ....

What a coincidence!  I just watched Downfall a couple of nights ago on Stars.  Very good movie.

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Felix wins at life.

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I'm inclined to believe this was the case for the majority of Germans.

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Unfortunately, this is the case under such government control; only a total revolt of the country's populace could have been effective . Lives would definately have been be lost one way or the other, anyway -- and they were.

And what this site reports and the movie doesn't even hint at is she was married to an SS Officer.  We'll probably never learn for sure, but it does seem plausable that she knew, being Hitler's personal secretary and the wife of an SS Officer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traudl_Junge

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I'm not sure if Hitler was specifically anti-Catholic but he had pagan beliefs. The original Aryan race were Nordic people, Vikings.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_mysticism

PS. Don't confuse Aryanism with Arianism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism

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Sorry, by origin, my dear fellow, untrue. It was more properly a term applied to the supposed language from which Indo-European was derived; in fact, the present name "Iran" is from a derivitive. Its basis is arya, Sanskrit for noble or lord, and, although the Nazis used it to define those who were non-Jewish Caucasians (realize that this was also regarded in respect to 'professed' religious belief) or Nordic, it truly has no ethnic validity.
Additionally, swastika is directly from Sanskrit svastika, blessedness. The Nazi symbol is reverse (a right angle bend) of the Indian swastika.  8)

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i would get sick of seeing it anywhere

Its quite funny too how the swastika was actually stolen by Hitler to represent the party.
The swastika has been used for over 3,000 years.
Before Hitler used it for his representation, the swastika was a symbol of life, power, sun, strength and good luck. Its was used with positive connotations. Now because of Hitler, its has become a symbol of hatred.

Originally, in European, Middle and Far Eastern cultures the symbol always faced left. In American Indian use it faced both directions as it pleased the individual using it.

The National Socialists inverted it (Going, as they were, on ancient and classical European usage). Since facing left it is a symbol of good luck and victory once inverted it becomes a symbol of misfortune and defeat.

Yet another factor Almost Schickelgruber failed to consider.....no wonder he lost.

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Thus, nothing has changed.  The original swastika still holds its positive meaning.  Except no one draws that one. The only place I've seen the uber-happy swastika was on a Korean shrine map.  "Korean letters, circle, circle, line, korean letter, swastika?!?  Oh right, that's a proper swastika!"

I'll see if I can find it again.

Indeed.  What gets me is people will hark on about what the meanie swastika symbolizes, yet ignore the happy swastikas symbolism.  People will believe what they wish.

Indeed.  Of course many people are historically clueless (D-Day?  Isn't that that World War I thingie?) so it's best to just avoid the topic altogether; it's not worth the trouble explaining it.

*drifts further off topic*

I've noticed that, people being hostorically clueless. I remember when I was highschool this girl asked the history teacher what her report was supposed to be about and he told her "World War 2". She looked at him blankly for a good 30 seconds and said "there were two world wars?". The look on his face was a combination of  and  . It was like if you asked Ozzy who this "Shakspere" character was.

...and now Tacit has managed to allow Scorpion to draw the rest of us even further off of the initial topic (although Scorpion has undoubtedly defined what the first of the ancestral surname did )
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As to the topic of peoples' historical ignorance, the youngest members to read this may think you're applying a nickname and we'll be hearing them talk about Shakespeare Federline. 8)

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methinks it's 'cultura popularis' or, in the singular perspective, 'cultus popularis' (but my Latin grammer is not so keen); she has to come after me -- again -- and ask but Britney's not the one.

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If it passed for Latin beyond the "Et tu," why would I be trying to correct it?
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Only about half of our "English" language is from the ancestral Anglo-Saxon; a major portion of the rest is from Latin, a few directly. You know more Latin than you're aware of -- and not just in simulation. 8)

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Well, father in law (30 years a Latin teacher) tells me,

Quando is Spanish for when
Ami is French for friend
and flunkus morotadi, he has no idea, but it is not latin. However try:

Cum omnes funes rumpunt fac ut mortuur videas esse. 

He gets even better after a glass or two of red  8)

Matt

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Common uses for duct tape aren't good enough for you, Tacit? 8)

LOL!!
this discussion reminds me of the scene in Life of brian, where the roman guard forces him to write correct latin!

CENTURION:
    What's this, then? 'Romanes Eunt Domus'? 'People called Romanes they go the house'?
BRIAN:
    It-- it says, 'Romans, go home'.

CENTURION:
    No, it doesn't. What's Latin for 'Roman'? Come on!
BRIAN:
    Aah!
CENTURION:
    Come on!
BRIAN:
    'R-- Romanus'?
CENTURION:
    Goes like...?
BRIAN:
    'Annus'?
CENTURION:
    Vocative plural of 'annus' is...?
BRIAN:
    Eh. 'Anni'?
CENTURION:
    'Romani'. 'Eunt'? What is 'eunt'?
BRIAN:
    'Go'. Let--
CENTURION:
    Conjugate the verb 'to go'.
BRIAN:
    Uh. 'Ire'. Uh, 'eo'. 'Is'. 'It'. 'Imus'. 'Itis'. 'Eunt'.
CENTURION:
    So 'eunt' is...?
BRIAN:
    Ah, huh, third person plural, uh, present indicative. Uh, 'they go'.
CENTURION:
    But 'Romans, go home' is an order, so you must use the...?
BRIAN:
    The... imperative!
CENTURION:
    Which is...?
BRIAN:
    Umm! Oh. Oh. Um, 'i'. 'I'!
CENTURION:
    How many Romans?
BRIAN:
    Ah! 'I'-- Plural. Plural. 'Ite'. 'Ite'.
CENTURION:
    'Ite'.
BRIAN:
    Ah. Eh.
CENTURION:
    'Domus'?
BRIAN:
    Eh.
CENTURION:
    Nominative?
BRIAN:
    Oh.
CENTURION:
    'Go home'? This is motion towards. Isn't it, boy?
BRIAN:
    Ah. Ah, dative, sir! Ahh! No, not dative! Not the dative, sir! No! Ah! Oh, the... accusative! Accusative! Ah! 'Domum', sir! 'Ad domum'! Ah! Oooh! Ah!
CENTURION:
    Except that 'domus' takes the...?
BRIAN:
    The locative, sir!
CENTURION:
    Which is...?!
BRIAN:
    'Domum'.
CENTURION:
    'Domum'.
BRIAN:
    Aaah! Ah.
CENTURION:
    'Um'. Understand?
BRIAN:
    Yes, sir.
CENTURION:
    Now, write it out a hundred times.
BRIAN:
    Yes, sir. Thank you, sir. Hail Caesar, sir.
CENTURION:
    Hail Caesar. If it's not done by sunrise, I'll cut your balls off.
BRIAN:
    Oh, thank you, sir. Thank you, sir. Hail Caesar and everything, sir! Oh. Mmm!

    Finished!

ROMAN SOLDIER STIG:
    Right. Now don't do it again.

8)

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Oh, Lord, Andrew has put me back on Guam; when did the ancient Romans arrive -- the Marianas trench is Polynesian!
??? 8)

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And Mariana is Polynesian. 8)

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Whoa!  .....and I always thought the islands were named after Mariana of Austria by Jesuit missionaries back in 1668.

....silly me.   ???

Sort of back on-topic: I got sucked into the TV last night by a very interesting docu-biography of old Goebbels himself; very educational for me.
  His diary was quoted extensively, and his comments on the Catholic question were interesting. I don't know if Hitler shared this view personally, but like a lot of Nazis, Goebbels saw the Church as it existed at that time as corrupt and ineffective, and he tolerated "those clerics" only to the extent that he could co-opt and manipulate the churches and their congregations until National Socialism could replace Christianity altogether. He had to be very careful about it at first, though, because so many Germans were staunch Catholics, and of course Jew-bashing could be  done from a Christian pulpit with excellent effect...
He was certainly not a Nordic pagan, although he no doubt appreciated the effect of resurrecting all of that stuff to promote the myth of ancient German racial purity- a very powerful tool if wielded properly.  In this documentary, he refers more than once to Nazism as a religion unto itself, in terms of its function... Ultimately, all of the old gods would be left behind, so that the people would worship the modern state-  the manifestation of their collective will. I don't have much use for religion myself, but that alternative gives me the creeps; there's something just plain wrong with that.

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She lied to me.