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May 1^st, 2006 at 4:55am

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Yesterday Hitler shot himself and today marks the 61st anniversary of the end of WWII.

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Reply #1 - May 1^st, 2006 at 7:47am

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Not till May 8th mate.

True he did shoot himself yesterday 61 years ago. But the surrender wasn't signed for another eight days.

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Reply #2 - May 1^st, 2006 at 8:06am

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I always thought the end of WW2 fighting came in August/September ....

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Reply #3 - May 1^st, 2006 at 8:09am

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The war in Europe ended on May 8, 1945. The war in Japan continued until August 15.

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Reply #4 - May 1^st, 2006 at 1:48pm

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What a coincidence! I just watched Downfall a couple of nights ago on Stars. Very good movie.

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Reply #5 - May 1^st, 2006 at 6:28pm

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I saw it a few weeks ago and I thought it was very good.

An interesting perspective on the inside circle.

Two characters that stood out for me were the Goebbels - their sheer fanaticism and a woman who would poison her own children rather than have them live in a world without the Fuehrer (Joseph not having the fortitude to do it himself) - in contrast to the young, innocent Traudl Junge (the main character). In the World at War documentaries she always said she never knew about the genocide.

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Reply #6 - May 1^st, 2006 at 9:42pm

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I always thought the end of WW2 fighting came in August/September ....

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In the World at War documentaries she always said she never knew about the genocide.

I'm inclined to believe this was the case for the majority of Germans.

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Reply #7 - May 2^nd, 2006 at 10:13am

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Two characters that stood out for me were the Goebbels - their sheer fanaticism and a woman who would poison her own children rather than have them live in a world without the Fuehrer

Yea, that's amazing. I've seen the actual photographs of the Goebels family's bodies. It's pretty sickening. But considering the role Joseph Goebbles played int he Third Reich, I believe they may not have had much of a choice. Kill the kids quickly and painlessly, or them ending up rotting away in some Soviet Gulag until they died painfully and slowly from starvation and disease?

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in contrast to the young, innocent Traudl Junge (the main character). In the World at War documentaries she always said she never knew about the genocide.

I don't know. She was Hitler's secretary. According to the movie it seemed she won his trust. I can imagine there were probably many German citizens who didn't want to know about the genocide. I can imagine they come to learn something bad is going on, and would prefer to not to learn any more. But to be fair, what could they have done, they were helpless to effect anything. Hans and Sophie Scholl tried to effect change, and they paid for it with their lives.

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Reply #8 - May 2^nd, 2006 at 11:41am

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...I can imagine there were probably many German citizens who didn't want to know about the genocide. I can imagine they come to learn something bad is going on, and would prefer to not to learn any more. But to be fair, what could they have done, they were helpless to effect anything. Hans and Sophie Scholl tried to effect change, and they paid for it with their lives.

Unfortunately, this is the case under such government control; only a total revolt of the country's populace could have been effective Sad

. Lives would definately have been be lost one way or the other, anyway -- and they were. Undecided

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Reply #9 - May 3^rd, 2006 at 2:36am

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Ahh yes. Total revolt. Apparently the Bavarians didnt like Hitler, as he was anti Catholic to the point of all that ancient Germanic pagan religion nonsense- the Wotan runes etc.

Traudl Jung lied. How could she not have known, when she typed Hitler's notices to SS staffe re: final solution stuff? I find it hard to beleive. She got off on a "young follower" charge!

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Reply #10 - May 3^rd, 2006 at 9:21am

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And what this site reports and the movie doesn't even hint at is she was married to an SS Officer. We'll probably never learn for sure, but it does seem plausable that she knew, being Hitler's personal secretary and the wife of an SS Officer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traudl_Junge

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Reply #11 - May 5^th, 2006 at 3:23pm

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Ahh yes. Total revolt. Apparently the Bavarians didnt like Hitler, as he was anti Catholic to the point of all that ancient Germanic pagan religion nonsense- the Wotan runes etc.

Anti-Catholic? So whats the whole Aryan race about then? Blonde haired blue-eyed Christians, no?

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Reply #12 - May 5^th, 2006 at 3:33pm

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Anti-Catholic? So whats the whole Aryan race about then? Blonde haired blue-eyed Christians, no?

I'm not sure if Hitler was specifically anti-Catholic but he had pagan beliefs. The original Aryan race were Nordic people, Vikings.

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"The Führer is deeply religious, though completely anti-Christian; he views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish race."—Joseph Goebbels, in his diary, December 28, 1939.

"Christianity is the prototype of Bolshevism: the mobilisation by the Jew of the masses of slaves with the object of undermining society." —Hitler 1941

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_mysticism

PS. Don't confuse Aryanism with Arianism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism

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Reply #13 - May 5^th, 2006 at 4:25pm

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Yea, I've not seen anything in print or in documentary that suggest Nazi-ism had anything to do with Christianity. It was almost cultic in nature. There cerimonies, funurals had nothing to do with Christianity.

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Reply #14 - May 6^th, 2006 at 12:41am

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The original Aryan race were Nordic people, Vikings.

Sorry, by origin, my dear fellow, untrue. It was more properly a term applied to the supposed language from which Indo-European was derived; in fact, the present name "Iran" is from a derivitive. Its basis is arya, Sanskrit for noble or lord, and, although the Nazis used it to define those who were non-Jewish Caucasians (realize that this was also regarded in respect to 'professed' religious belief) or Nordic, it truly has no ethnic validity.
Additionally, swastika is directly from Sanskrit svastika, blessedness. The Nazi symbol is reverse (a right angle bend) of the Indian swastika. 8)

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