Simviation Forum - Just a question

Mar 17^th, 2006 at 8:53pm

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how much are you willing too spend on a plane/scenery/misc. ?

im still looking at the Abacus' Civil Air Patrol Pilot and just cant justify spending more on a pakage than i did on my sim (i got FS2002 for 2 bucks. it was used) Sad

$30 for a couple of planes.

well i just want to know how musch would you spend on a plane/scenery/misc. ?

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Reply #1 - Mar 18^th, 2006 at 9:33am

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Anything by Abacus is a piece of dog doo. Don't buy it.

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Reply #2 - Mar 18^th, 2006 at 12:13pm

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Abacus packages generally are not "just a couple of planes".

In the case of the CAP series, you get the planes and auxiliary flights/ tasks.

There is no one "forcing" anyone to buy anything. Spend your money wisely.

Of course, by your definition, spending more than $2.00 on any payware package/aircraft precludes you from buying just about ANY payware out there...

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Reply #3 - Mar 18^th, 2006 at 2:15pm

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I paid $50 for the PMDG 747-400 when it first came out...I've paid about $2000 worth of payware add-ons...I have all of PMDG's aircraft which makes around $250 just for PMDG alone...I don't mind spending my money on quality payware...stuff like Abacus, I don't even bother...Alphasim is reasonable priced Payware with reasonable quality, so I have few of their aircraft... Wink

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Reply #4 - Mar 18^th, 2006 at 2:47pm

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Anything by Abacus is a piece of dog doo. Don't buy it.

Out of curiosity, and for my own edification, what was the last FS2004-specific Abacus model that you actually downloaded and test flew (presuming you take advantage of the "try before you buy", and not necessarily of the latest releases, like Commuter Express 2, Airbus Experience, Air Taxi Pilot, A-380...)?

I will admit that I have tested many of the Abacus offerings, and that the Abacus catalog still includes many models for FS98/FS2000. I hope you're not comparing the latest FS2004 offerings with those!

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Reply #5 - Mar 18^th, 2006 at 4:02pm

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Abacus packages generally are not "just a couple of planes".

In the case of the CAP series, you get the planes and auxiliary flights/ tasks.

There is no one "forcing" anyone to buy anything. Spend your money wisely.

Of course, by your definition, spending more than $2.00 on any payware package/aircraft precludes you from buying just about ANY payware out there...

well i understand that.

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I've paid about $2000 worth of payware add-ons

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Reply #6 - Mar 18^th, 2006 at 6:09pm

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well i did a comparison.

Payware

Freeware

Hmmmmmm....i think for the moment i'll stick with freeware Grin

BTW the other CAP plane is an AI default that was repainted (Cessna 182). (same Plane I used for the contest)

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Reply #7 - Mar 18^th, 2006 at 6:45pm

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Airshow_Lover, if I was you, the first thing I would do is BUY FS2004! If you want payware, most is only availiable for FS2004. Also, the quality of freeware FS2004 stuff FAR exceeds that of 2002. Its not that expensive. Save a dollar a day and by the end of one month you will have yourself FS2004.

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Reply #8 - Mar 18^th, 2006 at 10:26pm

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Airshow_Lover, if I was you, the first thing I would do is BUY FS2004! If you want payware, most is only availiable for FS2004. Also, the quality of freeware FS2004 stuff FAR exceeds that of 2002. Its not that expensive. Save a dollar a day and by the end of one month you will have yourself FS2004.

well how about save 30 cents a day and buy FSX later in the year Wink

I'm am struggling about buying 2004 seeing that in just a few months it'll be out of date. Undecided

not sure, not sure.

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Reply #9 - Mar 19^th, 2006 at 3:27am

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I would recommend just get 2004 anyway.

It may be sometime after FSX arrives before there is anything available to add to it Wink

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Reply #10 - Mar 19^th, 2006 at 2:01pm

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I would recommend just get 2004 anyway.

It may be sometime after FSX arrives before there is anything available to add to it Wink

Yeah...i know Sad

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Reply #11 - Mar 19^th, 2006 at 3:00pm

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And also, i think it would be best to get FS2004 anyways incase there are any SERIOUS problems with FSX, such as backwards compatibility (if Miltons stuff doesnt work, ill stay in FS2004). Also, why continue to suffer in FS2002 for almost an entire year?

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Reply #12 - Mar 19^th, 2006 at 3:12pm

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And also, i think it would be best to get FS2004 anyways incase there are any SERIOUS problems with FSX, such as backwards compatibility (if Miltons stuff doesnt work, ill stay in FS2004). Also, why continue to suffer in FS2002 for almost an entire year?

thats an interesting description "...suffer in FS2002..."

i dont know....im only 14 so my only "income" happens during the summer with mowing lawns. I trying to get a job at a vetenarian offic for three hours a day(maximum hours to work at the age of 14 in TN, USA)

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Reply #13 - Mar 19^th, 2006 at 3:40pm

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I bet Jake is dying to say....

GET THE DC-3 by MAAM you fool Grin

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Reply #14 - Mar 21^st, 2006 at 7:07pm

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Out of curiosity, and for my own edification, what was the last FS2004-specific Abacus model that you actually downloaded and test flew (presuming you take advantage of the "try before you buy", and not necessarily of the latest releases, like Commuter Express 2, Airbus Experience, Air Taxi Pilot, A-380...)?

Sorry for the late reply;

The last thing I got from Abacus was the A380. I didn't like the textures, the cabin was less than desireable and while I know that there are no real specs on the air file, it flew rather sluggish.

IMO, there are a lot better payware companies, and freeware developers than Abacus.

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Reply #15 - Mar 21^st, 2006 at 7:43pm

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Sorry for the late reply;

The last thing I got from Abacus was the A380. I didn't like the textures, the cabin was less than desireable and while I know that there are no real specs on the air file, it flew rather sluggish.

IMO, there are a lot better payware companies, and freeware developers than Abacus.

Actually, that was the type of feedback I was trying to elicit - specifics, etc.

Out of curiosity, could you try the F6F-5 model and PM to me the comments? (obviously the exterior visual model is absolutely perfect and spot -on..

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Reply #16 - Mar 21^st, 2006 at 8:01pm

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Actually, that was the type of feedback I was trying to elicit - specifics, etc.

Out of curiosity, could you try the F6F-5 model and PM to me the comments? (obviously the exterior visual model is absolutely perfect and spot -on..

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Sure thing. Why do you ask?

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Reply #17 - Mar 22^nd, 2006 at 12:04am

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Actually, that was the type of feedback I was trying to elicit - specifics, etc.

Out of curiosity, could you try the F6F-5 model and PM to me the comments? (obviously the exterior visual model is absolutely perfect and spot -on.. )

Sure thing. Why do you ask?

Who do you think made the exterior model and basic textures for the F6F-5?

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Reply #18 - Mar 22^nd, 2006 at 4:16am

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Reply #19 - Mar 22^nd, 2006 at 9:23pm

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Who do you think made the exterior model and basic textures for the F6F-5?

[sarcasm] I don't know, but whoever it was, did a pretty bad job! Angry

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Actually they are rather nice. I posted a screen of it in the freeware forums.

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Reply #20 - Mar 24^th, 2006 at 7:47am

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Actually, that was the type of feedback I was trying to elicit - specifics, etc.

Out of curiosity, could you try the F6F-5 model and PM to me the comments? (obviously the exterior visual model is absolutely perfect and spot -on..

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i have it-its good.

here are some of the "good" things abacus has:

1) WWII carriar ops (ive got it and its preety good)

2) Flight deck III is OK

3) Fs Repaint is their best product

4) The P-61

Those are the best things that i know of, although they just came out with a lockheed constilation that looks good 8)

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Reply #21 - Mar 24^th, 2006 at 10:55am

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i have it-its good.

here are some of the "good" things abacus has:

1) WWII carriar ops (ive got it and its preety good)

Of course! There are some quibbles *I* have with some of the VCs, but since I can't do better.. Sad

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3) Fs Repaint is their best product

Being more on the modelling side, I actually would say that FS Design Studio is "better".. but you'd expect me to say that. For the flightsim modeller, VASS-Gold is similar to the FS-Repaint program, except it works on the FSDS source file. For that matter, FS Repaint is VASS-Gold but for the mdl file.

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4) The P-61

Dave Eckert's. And even that is an "old" model compared to later offerings. But it stands the test of time.

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Those are the best things that i know of, although they just came out with a lockheed constilation that looks good 8)

We've seen the Connie as it was being built in the FSDS forums. Although we knew it was going to be payware, it was still thrilling to see it develop. Initial feedback in several forums is very good.

I wonder, though, with CFS3 allowing multi-crewed positions, if a plane like the Connie, with a flight engineer's station, could be modelled with that functionality for on-line cooperative flight?

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