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Feb 11th, 2006 at 8:07am

Ashar   Ex Member
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This is really getting to my nerves...the default AI...it's pissing me off...and I don't know what to do...I've renamed the default traffic file into something else, used the PAI uninstaller, nothing...not one default AI plane dissappears...and as a result, my sim isn't exactly real anymore...I just want to get rid of it...I know this has probably been discussed before...but I don't know what to do....
A very annoyed and disgusted (with MS of course),
Ashar Angry Angry
 
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Reply #1 - Feb 11th, 2006 at 3:07pm

MIKE JG   Offline
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OK take a deep breath with me, everything's going to be OK, we'll get you figured out.  By saying "here we go again" are you saying that this is a re-occuring problem or one that's just never been addressed?  Or is this something that's happened recently after you reloaded FS9 onto your machine?  Either way let's have a look.

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I've renamed the default traffic file into something else

This won't change a thing unless the new name no longer ends in .bgl.  See below.

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used the PAI uninstaller

Not sure about this one.  I think it's supposed to remove your default traffic but maybe something went amiss.

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I just want to get rid of it

There are several ways of doing this.  

1)  Go into your FS9/SCENERY/WORLD/SECNERY folder and just remove the whole defaut traffic file all together.  The name of the file is traffic030528.bgl Obviously put it somewhere else where you can go back and get it later if you want but take it out of that specific folder all together.  Put it as a stand alone file in the FS9/SCENERY/WORLD folder, it won't hurt anything there.

2)  Sounds like you've already heard about this but you could just go into your FS9/SCENERY/WORLD/SCENERY folder and change the file extension type of that file traffic030528.bgl to .original  In other words rename that whole file from traffic030528.bgl to traffic030528.
original
 This way you are changing the file extension so that when FS9 boots up and goes looking for that original traffic030528.bgl file to load your default traffic, it won't be able to find it since you've changed the file extension to something other than .bgl .  If you do it this way you don't have to move the default traffic file at all.

3)  If you don't want to remove all the default traffic, just some of it you can try this.  For example, I never liked the default airline traffic, it looks stupid IMO.  So I just wanted to keep the GA stuff since it looks ok.  I could go into the traffic file itself using TTools and change some stuff around or a better and easier way is to just go into the aircraft .CFG files and change the titles of each aircraft that I want to exclude.  In other words when FS9 is adding default traffic to the system it accesses the traffic030528.bgl  file which tells it very specifically the titles of the aircraft that it should use to make the AI traffic.  So if you go into the .CFG files for the aircraft FS9 is trying to use and change their titles to something else then FS9 won't be able to "find" those aircraft and use them for traffic purposes.  Doing it this way willnot cause problems and leaves everything in the AI system as is, you are just making a couple of changes to the aircraft's .CFG files which will exclude these aircraft from the default traffic file preventing them from showing up at all.

Here's what Im talking about using the default 747 Aircraft.cfg file as an example:  So go into your FS9/AIRCRAFT folder and find the default Boeing 747-400 folder.  Open it up and double click on the Aircraft.cfg file (if Windows asks, use Notepad to open this kind of file up).  In there you will see entries that look like this, this is the very first one in my file:

[fltsim.0]
title=Boeing 747-400

sim=Boeing747-400
model=
panel=
sound=
texture=GBF
kb_checklists=Boeing747-400_check
kb_reference=Boeing747-400_ref
atc_id=N747
atc_airline=Global Freightways
atc_flight_number=1123
atc_heavy=1
atc_parking_types=CARGO
ui_manufacturer=Boeing
ui_type="747-400"
ui_variation="Global Freightways"
description="More than 30 years ago, the 747 made its first trip from New York to London.  Since then, it's become the standard by which other large passenger jets are judged. Its size, range, speed and capacity were then, and are now, the best in its class."


All you have to do to exculde this aircraft from the default traffic file is to change the title of this entry to anything different then what it currently is.  For example you could change the title line to something like this:
title=Boeing 747-400 exclude AI

 
Just go in using notepad, change that single .CFG entry, close the file and select "yes" when windows asks if you want to save the changes.  That's it, this particular version of the 747 will no longer show up.  Please note that each one of these entries represents a different version of that particular model.  I think the default 737 has 4 different versions as far as the fake airlines go.  To exculde all the versions of any aircraft model you would have to change each individual [fltsim.x] title= entry for that model.

4)  One final drastic way of removing default AI is to simply remove those aircraft folders from your FS9/AIRCRAFT folder completely.  Just create a new folder in your FS9/AIRCRAFT folder, name it whatever you want, and place these default aircraft in that folder and put it back into the FS9/AIRCRAFT folder.  This puts those aircraft one level lower in the folder so that they are not accessable to FS9.  Of course you won't be able to use these aircraft to fly for yourself.  They will not be part of the sim if you do it this way.

Give one of these methods a shot and see how it works for you.
 

-Mike G.

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Reply #2 - Feb 12th, 2006 at 3:24am

Ashar   Ex Member
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Nice long healthy reply Mike...thanks...I just removed the default traffic files from my folder...I'll have to try out FS later today...Thanks... Wink
 
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Reply #3 - Feb 12th, 2006 at 3:04pm

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The above stated does not work...I still get those pesky defaults...I need to try another alternative... Angry
 
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Reply #4 - Feb 16th, 2006 at 4:36am

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I must go trough this ordeal again too, since I did a complete re-install of my system.

For one, the PAI remover don't work... at all! So don't even bother.

And I remember beeing able to remove all the traffic by changing a file. I'll dive into the history of this forum to find the answer on my question again...

I'll keep you posted!

Edit: Here's the old thread:

http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=COF;action=display;num=108...

This helped me...
 

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Reply #5 - Feb 16th, 2006 at 9:46pm

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The above stated does not work...I still get those pesky defaults...I need to try another alternative... Angry


Ashar I'm wondering if you have a "hidden" traffic file that you are not aware of.  How many traffic files do you have in your FS9/SCENERY/WORLD/SCENERY folder??  Have you added a bunch of other traffic files into that folder?

If so renaming the aircraft inside the .cfg files should take care of your problem regardless of "hidden" traffic files or not.
 

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Reply #6 - Feb 19th, 2006 at 1:57pm

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I think I know why you still have those "pesky defaults", Ashar.....

If you go into the folder entitled "Project AI" (found in main FS9 folder) -> "PAI Install" -> "TTools" and open the text file "aircraft.txt" (or whatever it's called) look what's listed?

Yup, the default aircraft.

I'm about to remove the defaults too, so I'm about to remove all the default airliners on the list, then compile the aircraft.txt and remove the default traffic BGL file, and then, it should all be ok.

Give it a go Ashar! Wink
 

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