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Jan 22nd, 2006 at 3:06pm

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The 100,000-foot barrier. M$ should, at the very least, extend this little barrier that has plagued us all since the very beginning.

And then, there is the Earth-is-a-cylinder mentality that M$ has. We all know that M$ shaped the Earth in FS using a cylinder. M$ better make sure to use the sphere this time so that those whose do long-distance travel can finally reach the poles.
 
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Reply #1 - Jan 22nd, 2006 at 3:16pm

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If it's the same engine their using you can bet your bottom dollar that the 100,000ft limit will still be there and the world will still be a cylinder.

Both of these, especially the shape of the earth, are there because of the engines limitations. So, to get those changed there would need to be a new engine which would see the end of FS's compatability with previous versions.


Now to be completely pedantic, the world is not a sphere. It's an Ellipsoid.
 
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Reply #2 - Jan 22nd, 2006 at 3:19pm

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If it's the same engine their using you can bet your bottom dollar that the 100,000ft limit will still be there and the world will still be a cylinder.

Both of these, especially the shape of the earth, are there because of the engines limitations. So, to get those changed there would need to be a new engine which would see the end of FS's compatability with previous versions.


Now to be completely pedantic, the world is not a sphere. It's an Ellipsoid.


Oh, ok. Nevermind. Roll Eyes
 
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Reply #3 - Jan 22nd, 2006 at 3:21pm

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Sorry to jump all over your hopes like that. Wink
 
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Reply #4 - Jan 22nd, 2006 at 3:26pm

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Sorry to jump all over your hopes like that. Wink


Nah, it's ok. I like being reminded of the importance of backward compatibity. Besides, I just remembered about the scenery addons that can be affected as well. Roll Eyes
 
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Reply #5 - Jan 22nd, 2006 at 3:29pm

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Indeed. It would take an entirely new sim. However, they've taken a whole extra year to make this FSX and they havn't had to worry themselves with CFS4/5 so you never know, they might have taken the plunge and remade FS from the ground up. (No pun intended)
 
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Reply #6 - Jan 22nd, 2006 at 4:16pm
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Wow! FS2004 still has the $100 000 feet limit?! I thought they got rid of that already.
 
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Reply #7 - Jan 22nd, 2006 at 6:23pm

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What plane goes above 100,000ft? Not to be an arse, but really, what does it matter?
 
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Reply #8 - Jan 22nd, 2006 at 6:25pm
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What are you talking about?


The earth is FLAT! and all who deny that are crazy !! Tongue Tongue
 
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Reply #9 - Jan 22nd, 2006 at 6:40pm

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What plane goes above 100,000ft? Not to be an arse, but really, what does it matter?


The mig package does. And so does the slew key

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Reply #10 - Jan 22nd, 2006 at 6:53pm

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The mig package does. And so does the slew key

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Reply #11 - Jan 22nd, 2006 at 7:40pm

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What plane goes above 100,000ft? Not to be an arse, but really, what does it matter?

Welcome to microsoft reasoning. Cheesy
 
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Reply #12 - Jan 22nd, 2006 at 9:20pm

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What plane goes above 100,000ft? Not to be an arse, but really, what does it matter?


Welcome to inconceivably, unbelievably, and outragiously crazy world of FS. Grin
 
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Reply #13 - Jan 22nd, 2006 at 10:24pm

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Welcome to microsoft reasoning. Cheesy


Space Shuttle? What's that? Cheesy
 
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Reply #14 - Jan 23rd, 2006 at 12:33am

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I wonder why Skynoz is wearing 2 coconuts under his T shirt?
 
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Reply #15 - Jan 23rd, 2006 at 12:48am

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Reply #16 - Jan 23rd, 2006 at 1:06am

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What makes me curious is what does that picture have to do with Gmax? Grin
 
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Reply #17 - Jan 23rd, 2006 at 9:20am

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The earth is FLAT! and all who deny that are crazy !! Tongue Tongue


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Reply #18 - Jan 23rd, 2006 at 10:13am

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What makes me curious is what does that picture have to do with Gmax? Grin


I just can't seem to find a avator under 10k and I can't make a sig. that shows my project under 30k, so I decieded to put a nice hot chick for my avator, because I admire hot models etc.  Smiley I mine as well take her off, some people can't handle hot chicks lol.
 
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Reply #19 - Jan 23rd, 2006 at 12:38pm

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I just can't seem to find a avator under 10k and I can't make a sig. that shows my project under 30k, so I decieded to put a nice hot chick for my avator, because I admire hot models etc.  Smiley I mine as well take her off, some people can't handle hot chicks lol.


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Reply #20 - Jan 23rd, 2006 at 10:54pm
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The mig ur talking about the Fire Fox? ??? Grin


A prototype Mig-25 got to 118,900 feet. However it definately can't sustained leveled flight that high.

I think Earth-is-a-cylinder is worse than the 100 000 feet limit.

I remember in FS98 you could go over 100 000 feet if you go fast enough, however suddenly clouds appear above of you.
 
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Reply #21 - Jan 23rd, 2006 at 11:16pm

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I mine as well take her off, some people can't handle hot chicks lol.


A nice aircraft would be so much better.... Grin
 
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Reply #22 - Jan 24th, 2006 at 10:16am

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we can also make a vist to mars and other planets
 
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Reply #23 - Jan 24th, 2006 at 11:00am

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we can also make a vist to mars and other planets


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We can also buy X-Plane  Grin

I agree completely with the author of the topic. The way the earth is modelled in FS just sucks. And I'm sure it wouldn't be that difficult to implement a conversion program to convert the sceneries/meshes from previous version to this new format.

FSX will be limited to 100.000 feet
FSX will have a flat and incomplete world preventing flying over the poles
FSX will not allow a correct modeling of Harrier/Osprey/any other hybrid aircraft
FSX will suck for acrobatics

... but I will buy it anyway, because it is okay for normal flying and offers great visual details.

...And X-plane gets more and more of my focus Wink
Come'on guys, give us more trees and more clickable VCs !!
 
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Reply #24 - Jan 24th, 2006 at 11:02am

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we can also make a vist to mars and other planets


It just made something come back to my mind.
M$ has ALREADY implemented a real world system... guys, get an eye on M$ Space Simulator!!

M$ should have upgraded this game to make their Flight sims, that would have been absolutely great Smiley
 
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Reply #25 - Jan 24th, 2006 at 12:35pm

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The mig package does. And so does the slew key


Actually the slew key stops at 100,000 or 99,999 feet  Grin
And the mig package doesnt go above 100,000 feet, at least not in flight sim  Angry
 
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Reply #26 - Jan 24th, 2006 at 2:23pm

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my mig firefox in fs2002 got upto 225,000ft At this altitude the earth was a blured mess.

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Reply #27 - Jan 25th, 2006 at 9:42am

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We can also buy X-Plane  Grin

I agree completely with the author of the topic. The way the earth is modelled in FS just sucks. And I'm sure it wouldn't be that difficult to implement a conversion program to convert the sceneries/meshes from previous version to this new format.

FSX will be limited to 100.000 feet
FSX will have a flat and incomplete world preventing flying over the poles
FSX will not allow a correct modeling of Harrier/Osprey/any other hybrid aircraft
FSX will suck for acrobatics

... but I will buy it anyway, because it is okay for normal flying and offers great visual details.

...And X-plane gets more and more of my focus Wink
Come'on guys, give us more trees and more clickable VCs !!


And until customers start buying sims like X-plane over MSFS Microsoft will never change.  It's too bad because MSFS is soooo good.  Just some minor changes to the flight model and world model would make it perfect.  A little more modability and it could become a default engine for other flight and combat sims (the way the Doom and Unreal engine are in first person shooters).

Unfortunately I think the entire combat sim genre isn't going to survive unless they can find some common engine to build on.  (Are you listening X-plane people?)  If MS could fix these problems they'd expand beyond there current market in to one where they could license their technology.  for now, who wants to build a sim on their model?

But to do so would be an enormous expense.  All the work they've done to date would be practically undone.  Instead of tweaking and re-selling the old program now they'd be building from scratch.  Given MS's flagging commitment to the flight sim line of business I don't think it'll ever happen.
 
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