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Dec 30th, 2005 at 9:15pm

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is there a Super Sonic effect for the stock aircraft? and a fix for the  51 breaking the barrier id like to completely relive the incident at the end of the war where the 51 tryed to follow a 262 into a dive and broke the barrier and desentigrating just after?
 
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Reply #1 - Dec 30th, 2005 at 11:06pm

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I hope not as neither plane could go supersonic in a dive.

A P-51's Vne was 505 MPH IAS & a Me-262 could not exceed Mach 0.86 without becoming completely uncontrollable . This nose down pitch (Mach Tuck) would constantly increase the plane's dive angle to the point that the aircraft would disintegrate under the negative g-loads.

Post war tests show the maximum safe dive speed for the 262 @ Mach 0.84
 
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Reply #2 - Dec 31st, 2005 at 12:25am

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no the 262 pulled out imediatly the 51D continued in a dive till it hit the soundbarrier and started to break up

to my understanding what was going on was the 262 inverted and dove (pulled back on the stick till it was 180 and verted the 51D tryed to follow and stalled or something making it unable to pull our of the dive i might have facts mixed up but History channel was saying a 51D broke up from hitting the barrier in a dive
 
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Reply #3 - Dec 31st, 2005 at 11:35am

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History channel was saying a 51D broke up from hitting the barrier in a dive


The History channel says a lot of things that make many of us smile, but the fact is a P-51 will shed its wings way before it gets close to Mach 1.

BTW Vne is the speed where its expected that structural damage will occur.

The P-51's Vne is 505 mph IAS & for example the speed of sound at 10,000 feet is 761 x 0.9650 or 734 miles per hour. This leaves the Mustang 229 mph to go from the point it starts to take major structural damage till it gets to Mach 1.
 
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Reply #4 - Jan 1st, 2006 at 10:32pm

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ok thanks for the lesson lol guess i start doing net reasearch instead of watching HC lol all the same fun just not flashy video clips lol but then Microsoft didnt do a good job on flight dynamics of structural stress cuz i hit 800 in that 51 lol and if i were 5000 feet higher i would have pulled out of it and lived lol

question still remains... is there a super sonic effect out there that someone may know of?
 
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Reply #5 - Jan 1st, 2006 at 11:24pm

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I think Firepower By shockwave productions MAY have it.... they have a load of fire effects and stuff, but the sound barrier wasnt broken until after the war so  I'm not for sure! Cheers, Gunny
 
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Reply #6 - Jan 2nd, 2006 at 11:55am

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I think Firepower By shockwave productions MAY have it.... they have a load of fire effects and stuff, but the sound barrier wasnt broken until after the war so  I'm not for sure! Cheers, Gunny


FP has the effect for a "what if" Go-229 with after burner.  An after burner with supersonic capability would have been an interesting add-on to a wooden plane. Roll Eyes
 
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Reply #7 - Jan 2nd, 2006 at 1:57pm

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That I find weird, a wooden plane with after burners.... Cheers, Gunny
 
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Reply #8 - Jan 2nd, 2006 at 2:58pm

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That I find weird, a wooden plane with after burners.... Cheers, Gunny


Excuse me sir, but we had a small problem when we engaged stage 1 after burner. Shocked

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Reply #9 - Jan 2nd, 2006 at 4:43pm

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Ugh Houston we had a problem on launch! Cheers, Gunny
 
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Reply #10 - Jan 2nd, 2006 at 4:49pm

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yeh i have downloaded the Horton Ho229 but it seems it was also made by Gotha too i have both of them lol
 
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Reply #11 - Jan 2nd, 2006 at 7:20pm

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yeh i have downloaded the Horton Ho229 but it seems it was also made by Gotha too i have both of them lol


Its the same plane.

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The Horten Ho 229, often called Gotha Go 229 due to the identity of the chosen manufacturer of the aircraft,  was a late-World War II flying wing fighter aircraft, designed by the Horten brothers and built by Gothaer Waggonfabrik.

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BTW The skin of the aircraft was made of a thin layer of sawdust, charcoal and glue mix, sandwiched between two plywood sheets. Varnish was applied first, then glue and sawdust mixed and applied all over the varnished surfaces to fill imperfections.  Center section had normal metal tube internal structure but the wings were all wood. Not good for Mach 1  Wink
 
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Reply #12 - Jan 2nd, 2006 at 7:29pm

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Reply #13 - Jan 2nd, 2006 at 10:32pm

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yeh i know its the same plane... Horton originally designed this aircraft and to my understanding at this point co-operated with Gotha in the production i dunno
 
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Reply #14 - Jan 2nd, 2006 at 11:05pm

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The Horton brothers got pushed out because they developed the initial project without the support or knowledge of the  Reichluftfahrtministerium (RLM, the State Ministry of Aviation) & made some powerful enemies.

Payback was Gothaer Waggonfabrik got the production contract from RLM & control of the production versions redesign was taken away from the Hortons.

They continued to work on the Ho-9 prototype till the war ended.
 
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