Simviation Forum - Mcdonell Douglas 220

Dec 5^th, 2005 at 6:06pm

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Someone asked me about a plane they saw that has 4 underwing engines, low wing, and it about the size of an RJ or smaller. I looked it up and I got the Convair 220.

Holy crap its fast! The cruise speed is 675mph. I need to find more info on it.

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Reply #1 - Dec 5^th, 2005 at 6:45pm

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MOre details, please - McDonnell DOuglas? Douglas? definitely not CONVAIR ....

the Convair 220 was a twin engined airliner

Edit - You're probably talking about the McDonnell 220 ...

Jane's 1959-1960 lists the McDonnell 119 (same aircraft as built for a USAF four engined navigator trainer, same spec as the Lockheed JetStar) shows a cruising speed of 522mph for max range...

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Reply #2 - Dec 7^th, 2005 at 1:46pm

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http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/mcdonnel220105tht
The four-engine Model 119/220 was the first business, non-airline-type jet aircraft to receive an FAA Class I provisional type certificate as airworthy in the transport category.

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Reply #3 - Dec 7^th, 2005 at 2:45pm

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Curiously, it's not that far off the shape conceived for the DC-9 .... before it got "shrunk" to a twin engined design...

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Reply #4 - Dec 7^th, 2005 at 2:57pm

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Curiously, it's not that far off the shape conceived for the DC-9 .... before it got "shrunk" to a twin engined design...

If you ignore the Pointy nose, the short fuselage the fact it isn't a T-tail.

Then again I haven't seen the original designs for the DC9 so I better shut-up. Lips Sealed

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Reply #5 - Dec 7^th, 2005 at 3:24pm

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If you ignore the Pointy nose, the short fuselage the fact it isn't a T-tail.

Then again I haven't seen the original designs for the DC9 so I better shut-up. Lips Sealed

Jane's 1962-63 Edition ( the one with the Mile 218) describes the "DC-9" then in the design change with a 3-view and description as a small (main landing gears with just twin tires) 4-engined DC_8 looking bird.

So I guess that you haven't seen the proposals for a joint venture between Fokker and Boeing for the F.30 - basically a 737 fuselage with an F.28 type cockpit and T-tail, wing mounted podded engines?

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Reply #6 - Dec 7^th, 2005 at 3:29pm

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I hadn't seen either, I'll have to keep an eye open for one of these types of books. My collection is embaressingly small.

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Reply #7 - Dec 13^th, 2005 at 6:04pm

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It looks like a baby 707! Almost fake looking

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Reply #8 - Dec 13^th, 2005 at 6:23pm

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I never thought I would say this about a four-engine jet, but: Awww, its cute!! Grin

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Reply #9 - Dec 14^th, 2005 at 11:30am

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I hadn't seen either, I'll have to keep an eye open for one of these types of books. My collection is embaressingly small.

C: A couple of my treasure chests (and who said eBay isn't good) have been the purchase of a set of Air Enthusiast issues from the 1975-87 era, and a simliar purchase, Aeroplane Monthly 1975-1990 ... Especially the Air Enthusiast magazines (and their current incarncation, Air International, Air Enthusiast) highlighted "current" developments with 3-views, information etc.

Where else would I have found out about the various Boeing plans for a 727 follow up? What ended up being the 757 had, at a time, a t-tail ... the 767 was *almost* a 3-engined bird. There was a twin L-1011 in the plans ... on and on.

The airplanes that didn't make it are just as interesting as the ones that did. I have a soft spot for the Ahrens 404 (namely because it would have been built in Puerto Rico), a decent, robust design that didn't have the necessary capital behind it.

Then there are always the "Janes All the World's Aircraft" issues. (A Piper four engined commuter mini-airliner???) ...

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Reply #10 - Dec 15^th, 2005 at 12:52pm