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1854 25 OCT Half a league, half a league (Read 843 times)
Oct 25
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, 2005 at 4:45pm
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1854 Charge of the Light Brigade
In an event alternately described as one of the most heroic or disastrous episodes in British military history, Lord James Cardigan leads a charge of the Light Brigade cavalry against well-defended Russian artillery during the Crimean War. The British were winning the Battle of Balaclava when Cardigan received his order to attack the Russians. His cavalry gallantly charged down the valley and were decimated by the heavy Russian guns, suffering 40 percent casualties. It was later revealed that the order was the result of confusion and was not given intentionally. Lord Cardigan, who survived the battle, was hailed as a national hero in Britain.
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Oct 25
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Umm...listed in the section "incompetent commanders" in the book "The dumbest mistakes in military history". I think the author was right.
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Flt.Lt.Andrew
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Hey! Just because you haven't won a war since one of those Franco Prussian jaunts! For the record, one of my ancestors was there, (Sgt.Mjr. Berryman) and apparently he won a VC, thanks for the reminder of this historic event, Felix!
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Hey! Just because you haven't won a war since one of those Franco Prussian jaunts! For the record, one of my ancestors was there, (Sgt.Mjr. Berryman) and apparently he won a VC, thanks for the reminder of this historic event, Felix!
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???? Andrew - that was an asinine comment. Anybody in the world can point out that that particular was a blunder. Fortunately, it wasn't a strategic blunder that cost a war, or something like that.
Cardigan may have (then) been lauded for the "romanticism" of the Charge, the fact is that it was a bloody mistake that never should have happened!
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True, but everyone makes mistakes!
Anyway, he was a Lord, he's excused.
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True, but everyone makes mistakes!
And you've been quick to point them out, as suited, and make your own in the process. The biggest problem is that some people have to figure out
how
you mean something rather than only
what
you mean. Sometimes you often have a predetermined thought of something relative but don't explain that part of it out and we don't exactly relish having to read your mind.
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Oct 26
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Thats a very correct and true analysis....teachers always encourage me to 'be more clear' or show 'just exactly what I mean'... good work H.
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The Charge of the Light Brigade on a par of military excellence in the same way a Pot Noodle is haut cuisine
There are two types of aeroplane, Spitfires and everything else that wishes it was a Spitfire!
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Were it not for the peom, would the Charge even be remembered as it is?
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Felix is right. Let's face it no one discusses the Charge of the Heavy Brigade which was one of the direct causes of the Light Brigade fiasco.
Basicly the heavies charged uphill against the Russians who out numbered them and won. Not to be out done the Light Brigade were up for anything that would make them look good. Bad move.
Who switched the lights off? I can't see a thing....... Hold on, my eyes were closed. Oops, my bad...............&&
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Hey! Just because you haven't won a war since one of those Franco Prussian jaunts! For the record, one of my ancestors was there, (Sgt.Mjr. Berryman) and apparently he won a VC
Sgt Major John Berryman was indeed awarded the VC during "the Charge of the Light Brigade". He later received a commision and retired as a Major...
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Oct 26
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Damn nice work Charlie! Even I didnt know that!
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P.S is the VC exclusive to the Army?
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P.S is the VC exclusive to the Army?
No. Other services have recipients as well.
Even I know that!
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Oct 27
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I'm just double checking!
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Tut tut Andrew not knowing that
Guy Gibson? Commander of 617 for the Dambusters raid?
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Damn nice work Charlie! Even I didnt know that!
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P.S is the VC exclusive to the Army?
Thank you. Only took a second. There are lots of god books about the VC, and the breadth and depth of those who were awarded it is probably unbounded, from 16yr old "boy" soldiers, to Oxford educated very young yet high ranking RAF Officers.
Along with Gibson, Leonard Cheshire is probably the most famous aerial recipient of the VC. His award appears unique, as it was not awarded for a single event, but his persistent flying on Ops for most of WWII, including a "demotion" to Wing Commander in order to fly operationally again, including command of 617Sqn after Guy Gibson.
However one of the greatest examples of self sacrifice (and that of the crew he was flying with) was a Pathfinder, Sqn Ldr Robert Palmer RAFVR of 109 Sqn. A 24yr old veteran of over 100 operations, he was acting as master bomber on a raid on Cologne just before Christmas 1944...
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He was 24 years old, and a Squadron Leader in the 109 Squadron, Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve during the Second World War when the following deed took place for which he was awarded the VC.
On 23 December 1944 over Cologne, Germany, Squadron Leader Palmer was leading a formation of Lancaster bombers to attack the marshalling yards in daylight and it was his task to mark the target. Some minutes before reaching it he came under heavy anti-aircraft fire and two engines were set on fire, but disdaining the possibility of taking evading action and being determined to provide an accurate and easily seen aiming point for the other bombers, he managed to keep the badly damaged aircraft on a straight course, made a perfect approach and released his bombs. The Lancaster was last seen spiralling to earth in flames.
What wasn't mentioned on the full citation (with I could find at this second) was that he was flying on "Oboe", the radio system used to guide bombers directly on to a target. Therefore it was imperative that the bomber was kept exactly on course, receiving the directional signal and the release. I believe the rear gunner survived, but the rest of the crew perished...
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