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Oct 1st, 2005 at 5:30am

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Hello lads... Grin...!
Another of those fascinating questions which keep the curious amongst us awake at nights...>>>

I am one of the lucky? few who still uses dial-up to connect to the Internet.... Wink...!

So...
My question is...

After I dial my Service Provider's number on my computer, a stream of data is exchanged, which can be heard from my Modems's speaker...8)...!

Now, is this data being sent from my computer to my ISP, or the other way round, from my ISP to my computer...?
And...
Does anyone know exactly what information this data contains...?

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Reply #1 - Oct 1st, 2005 at 6:44am

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That is the sound of your soul being sold to the devil. Grin

If Im not mistaken (Fozzer??) it is collecting your connection info, telling the IP who you are but then again it may also be scanning for porn but who knows it is one of them "top secret" things.

I hope a correct answer will be given becasue I to will now lose sleep pondering! LOL
 
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Reply #2 - Oct 1st, 2005 at 7:14am

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That is the sound of your soul being sold to the devil. Grin
LOL


SimV have already purchased part of my soul for not abiding by the SimV rules regarding.....just about everything..Cry...!


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If Im not mistaken (Fozzer??) it is collecting your connection info, telling the IP who you are but then again it may also be scanning for porn but who knows it is one of them "top secret" things.! LOL


Buggar...
...even tho' I delete all my porn cookies from my hard drive every morning...Roll Eyes...?...


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I hope a correct answer will be given becasue I to will now lose sleep pondering! LOL


It's nice to know that it's not just me who suffers sleepless nights over attempting to obtain useless information via SimV......Wink...!


LOL...!

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Reply #3 - Oct 1st, 2005 at 10:24am

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The sound is code to make the connection, not exactly sure of the science, but it's always been like that, (although I believe it's now encrypted code), since the early days of the internet.

Hackers use to record the code and play it back over the phone network to gain access to computer and phone networks, that was kinda the first internet I think.

The modem is "handshaking" during the process........ that is, establishing and authorising the parameters of the connection being attempted, ............. I think.....
 
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When you think of dial-up Internet service, the first thing that probably comes to mind is the strange sort of "R2-D2 in a blender" type chirping that the modem makes as it connects. This song is called the handshake protocol, and it is the first thing that bogs down the speed of dial-up Internet.

The handshake protocol, as the name implies, begins the conversation that allows data to be sent to and from your computer using the Internet. There are actually two separate handshakes that occur in this process. The first half is the modem initializing the Internet connection. We'll call that the modem handshake. The second part is the software handshake. That deals with authenticating the user's access to the ISP (Internet Service Provider). When your computer is chirping away, it is introducing itself to your ISP. High-speed dial-up providers can't do anything about the modem handshake, but they can speed up the software handshake. The standard software handshake goes something like this:

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Your machine: Hello, my name is Sparky.
     ISP Server: Hello, Sparky.
     Your machine: I am John's computer.
     ISP Server: John who?
     Your machine: John Smith.
     ISP Server: I know 32,422 John Smiths.
     Your machine: He is one of your customers.
     ISP Server: Does he have an account number?
     Your machine: Yes.
     ISP Server: What is that number?
     Your machine: 5546743897
     ISP Server: Ah, yes. Okay, go ahead, 5546743897. You have access.


Easy erm, I think  Grin
 
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Reply #5 - Oct 1st, 2005 at 2:11pm

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Thanks lads,
...especially Paul for his detailed description.

It all becomes very clear now...>>>

My machine: Hello my name is Pablo.
SimV: Hello, Pablo.
My machine: I am Fred's computer.
SimV: Fred who?
My Machine: Fred Nightmare.
SimV: I know 214 Fred Nightmare's.
My Machine: He is one of your worst nightmares
SimV: Does he have a password?
My Machine: You bet..
SimV: What is that password?
My Machine: Arse
SimV. Ah, yes. I remember you, Arse. Go away.

Simple innit... Grin...!
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Reply #6 - Oct 1st, 2005 at 4:19pm

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Thanks lads,
...especially Paul for his detailed description.

It all becomes very clear now...>>>

My machine: Hello my name is Pablo.
SimV: Hello, Pablo.
My machine: I am Fred's computer.
SimV: Fred who?
My Machine: Fred Nightmare.
SimV: I know 214 Fred Nightmare's.
My Machine: He is one of your worst nightmares
SimV: Does he have an password?
My Machine: You bet..
SimV: What is that password?
My Machine: Arse
SimV. Ah, yes. I remember you, Arse. Go away.

Simple innit... Grin...!
LOL...!

Pablo... Wink...!


Great! I think you've got it in one.
Cheesy

 
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Reply #7 - Oct 1st, 2005 at 4:39pm

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Ah so even though humans no longer respect the handshake computers do?
Great expainations!!
 
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Reply #8 - Oct 1st, 2005 at 6:49pm

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Nice explanation Scania.

BTW, a similar handshake happens for DSL users with PPPoE. Its much faster and silent though.
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Reply #9 - Oct 1st, 2005 at 9:22pm

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Nice explanation Sandra.

BTW, a similar handshake happens for DSL users with PPPoE. Its much faster and silent though.


Aw, don't be cruel man! the poor chap's on dial up, DSL users will just make him feel sad.

I remember the dark days of dial up.....  Sad Sad

Sandra ! - I did'nt notice the name change nor gender swap....  Shocked Grin
 
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Reply #10 - Oct 2nd, 2005 at 5:01am

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Sandra ! - I did'nt notice the name change nor gender swap....  Shocked Grin


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Reply #11 - Oct 2nd, 2005 at 9:57am

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Aw, don't be cruel man! the poor chap's on dial up, DSL users will just make him feel sad.

I remember the dark days of dial up.....  Sad Sad Grin


The above very affluent Member, Paul, (Scania), is showing off with his high-speed, highly expensive, Broadband again...
...he often does this to make me feel underprivileged... Roll Eyes...!
LOL...!

For all us poor souls, with limited funds, south of Stoke-on-Trent, (down the A49), we have to use the much cheaper dial-up option, smile furiously, and think of England.... Cry...!

...anyway...Wink...
The reason why I posted this query regarding data is because lately I have been dialling up my ISP's number but getting no data transfer between my computer and my ISP....total silence...!

I went through Uncle Bill's Windows trouble-shooter, as you do, and it suggested that I have a peek here...>>>

Start > Settings > Control Panel > Phone and Modem Options > Modems > Properties > Modem > Maximum Port Speed > (300-115,200).

For some reason my port speed defaulted to 115,200, (the fastest).
The trouble shooter suggested that this may be too fast for my ISP to respond to, and suggested that I first reduce the speed to 9,600, as a trial setting.
Then increase it until I get the fastest, reliable setting...!

It worked fine, I dial the number now and the data is immediately transferred, (handshake!), between the computers...!

...just like my old Sinclair Spectrum tape loading days...8)...!

So there you go...fastest is not always the best...LOL...!!
...(As Jordan often whispers in my ear'ole)...Wink...!

Cheers all...!

Pablo.... Wink... Grin...!
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Reply #12 - Oct 2nd, 2005 at 5:41pm

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Actually, dsl isn't expensive.

SBC yahoo offers dsl thats the same price as or in some places CHEAPER than dialup.

http://www.sbc.com/gen/landing-pages?pid=3310

 
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Reply #13 - Oct 2nd, 2005 at 6:51pm

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And since when did Mr Fozzerby become Pablo? or, am I missing something here ???  Wink Kiss
 
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And since when did Mr Fozzerby become Pablo? or, am I missing something here ???  Wink Kiss


Ssssshhhhhhhhhhh it's a secret.  Grin

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