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Not another book about Midway!!!! (Read 466 times)
Sep 23
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But, this book is different, and I'm anxious to read it. This book isauthored by the owner of
www.combinedfleet.com
website. And he purposes to dispell concepts we commonly accept about the battle that he calls myths. Such as, Nagumo being double-minded about how to arm the planes on the carrier decks and the American dive bombers catching the Japanese carriers in that process. And the Tone scout plane's significance about not finding the US fleet earlier enough. Parshall says these aren't true.
He even contradicts Mitsuo Fuchida in Fuchida's book "Midway - the battle that doomed Japan". And he sets out to prove how Fuchida was wrong. And Fuchida was there! But, I've read some of Parshall's discussion on this and he's quite compelling. In fact, VERY compelling! He REALLY knows his stuff and discusses details that I've never seen in any book on Midway that I've read.
http://www.shatteredswordbook.com/purchase.htm
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he purposes to dispell concepts we commonly accept about the battle that he calls myths. Such as, Nagumo being double-minded about how to arm the planes on the carrier decks and the American dive bombers catching the Japanese carriers in that process. And the Tone scout plane's significance about not finding the US fleet earlier enough. Parshall says these aren't true.
I've often wondered about that, particularly the scout plane.
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And Fuchida was there!
This makes it difficult to contradict but accounts of the same events by different people can vary considerably. There might also be a certain amount of face-saving involved. Without reading the book I really don't see how it can be proven one way or the other unless new facts have come to light. I think this is very unlikely now.
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Sep 23
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I've read Fuchida's book, and I've also read his autobiography, and he never mentioned some of the details Parshall discusses in the following article. It's compelling.
http://www.nwc.navy.mil/press/Review/2001/Summer/sd1-su1.htm
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Thanks. Looks interesting. I'll read it later when I have more time.
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The problem with the Japanese account, is that while it may be historically accurate, it cannot be said tha the author can make an accurate primary source acocunt as he only saw HIS part of the battle from HIS perpective. Although he may be realiable on certain facts and the nature of the fighting, it cannot be said that by his account alone a proper analytical study of Midway can be formed.
However, it can be seen that the tome written by Parshall is more open and complete as he has drawn on more than one eyewitness account and is not basing his conclusions and knowledge from his experience but rather, from what he has found out and discovered to be true.
Therefore it can be stated that Parshall's book is more likely to give a better overall picture than Fuchida's as Fuchida only knows/knew what he saw and what he percieved, even when this was wrong.
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I read Jonathan B. Parshall's account from dcunning's link & this should be an interesting book. It's very well presented & explains Japanese Navy operating procedures I was unaware of until now. However, most of it is pure supposition & based on hypothesis. Mitsuo Fuchida was there & being the leader of the strike force that attacked Pearl Harbor, a senior officer in the Japanese Navy & experienced pilot he would obviously be familiar with these procedures which he perhaps assumed the reader would also know when writing his accounts. Knowing these facts could well give a new perspective on this & it might be worth reading his accounts again. Unfortunately, I haven't read these accounts & only have a basic overall knowledge of the Battle of Midway & haven't studied it in detail. This was also many years ago so I would have to bone up on the subject to discuss it properly.
I also read Professor Dallas Isom's response to what is basically a criticism of his own theories.
http://www.nwc.navy.mil/press/Review/2001/Summer/imv-su1.htm
This is an intelligent & detailed argument between academics & Isom concedes some points. The whole thing is very interesting indeed but, as always, you have to read everything you can find on the subject & come to your own conclusion. Knowing these facts can only help. I'm no academic & purely an amateur historian, a very poor one at that.
PS. I don't know what it's all about but found the response to Stanley Weintraub's letter at the bottom of the above page highly amusing.
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Sep 24
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Now that I know Fuchida's involvment I can form a better opinion. I had previously presumed that he was an able seaman or a (singdow-wa...no I'm just being slack there) cleaner or something. I didnt realise he was a commander.
Perhaps, however it can be seen that neither account is perfect....
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As a point of further illustration, Fuchida was tasked to lead the Midway Striking Force, but he came down with appendicitis, just as the fleet sailed. The appedicitis actually saved his life. (Funny how life's turns go...) Just prior to launch on the Akagi, Fuchida struggled out of his sickbay bed and made his way to the flight deck to watch the aircrews off, whick ended up saving his life again. He was just a witness to the goings on on the flight deck, but never made it to where command decisions were being made. What was pretty amazing was he watched as the Dauntlesses hurtled toward his ship. He saw the first dropped it's bomb which overshot. He thought to himself, the second will make corrections, and just as he predicted, the second Dauntless made a strike on the flight deck.
Anyway, he was not in favor of the Midway mission taking place as it did and how Yamamoto disposed his fleet. First of all, Fuchida would rather had waited until the Shokkaku and Zuikkaku underwent repairs and gained new aircrews. But Yamamoto was "spooked" by the Dolittle raid. Also, Fuchida thought the Alutians mission was a waste and he was against having the main fleet hundereds of miles to the rear of Nagumo's striking force.
He scoffed at the thought of the Yamato being little more than a floating hotel, and he advocated having the BB's ring the carriers for protection.
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Sep 26
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dcunning. Thanks for the review of the situation. It's a great help & refreshes my memory. I know very little about carrier procedure &, apart from watchiing Tora, Tora, Tora & reading several books on Midway some years ago, even less about the Japanese & US carrier procedures at the time.
From reading the accounts from your link it seems to me the whole problem from the Japanese point of view was in operating an effective CAP against repeated US raids. In this case I wonder if it would have been wiser to operate the CAP fighters from one carrier, leaving the others free to launch the strike force as necessary - without the inevitable interruptions caused by retrieving the fighters for refuelling/rearming. This seems the obvious solution to a landlubber like me so there must have been good reasons for this not being done. I realise that this could cause problems if the CAP carrier had been put out of action but these would not have been insurmountable.
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Sep 26
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Also, the Combined Fleet tasked Fuchida to do the official post mortem of the Midway debacle, so I think his involvement and knowlege on the subject goes beyond just being there. But anyway, John Parshall,'s work seems very compelling and I'm looking forward to reading it.
I rememeber a few years ago, I got into a little debate with him regarding the significance of McClusky's "lucky" turn to discover the Japanese striking force, and what could have happened if he never found it. Parshall took my lunch away from me and ate it in my face! I thought I knew a few things about Midway. Parshall made me realize I knew far less that I thought I did.
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Sep 28
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AH, now I see...amazing that Fuchida didnt Hari-Kari on us all....although his ideas seem profoundly progressive and "new school"...what rank did he hold at Midway?
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After the Pearl Harbor mission, he was promoted to Captain. And even then, he was given the high honor of attending an Imperial audience, a Captain! That was just never done. But Hirohito put up with with the admirals briefings and with great interest keyed in on what Fuchida had to say.
Regarding suicide, Fuchida did consider suicide at the end of the war but decided against it because he concluded he served his country with vigor and honor and had nothing to atone for. In his autobiography, he does seem rather assured of himself and a bit over confident, but considering his career, it's hard to argue against it. He was a scrawny kid who everyone thought was too weak and sickly to amount to much, but by the spring of 1942, his career was the stuff of dreams.
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