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Sooooo.... Cessnas CAN take negative Gs... (Read 196 times)
Sep 20th, 2005 at 10:44am

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Sunday (which was my birthday by the way) I went up for another IFR lesson ... to Miller (Toms River) which has the good taste of having an IFR and localizer approach.

The day was windy and bumpy.

The risk with Miller is that everybody and their grandmother is out there practicing the approaches and some bozos don't announce.

You see where this is going?

What's the definition of negative Gs from the perspective of the occupants of an aircraft?

Everything in the cockpit shoots up. You get lifted off your seat and your legs press against the seatbelts. You find your approach plates smacking against your nose on their way to the roof. You see your flight bag and all its content go from the rear seat to the roof in about ... half a second. (thank god i didn't have any heavy stuff in it)

Ever experienced something like this? While under the hood? With your instructor screaming "I got the plane!!" at the top of his lungs while you feel the yoke slamming out your hands and full forward?

I did.

At the start of the third approach (after 2 relatively successful localizer approaches), on the way to the procedure turn for my first ILS approach ... that's exactly what happened. One moment I was starting my turn for the teardrop entry (we were facing west, in the afternoon and we had the sun in our eyes ... well I didn't ... I was under the hood). The next I was getting a close up view of the roof of the aircraft (gotta learn to tighten that seatbelt a little more).

I almost thought it was heaving turbulence for a sec until John screamed "My plane!" ... that changed my perspective a little bit.

The Cutlass went from being a plane to a roller coaster ride. I did some negative Gs in the Pitts ... but there's a big difference between pulling Gs when you expect it ... and pulling them when you don't.

I thought I would hear the engine sputter and die ... but it didn't. I caught a glimpse of a Cherokee banking almost 90 degrees away from us ... then John stabilized the plane (took him about 2 seconds) and in the same voice he would tell me the time of the days said "Your plane again".

To my amazement my hands weren't shaking ... much.

It took me a good 30 seconds to have my heart stop beating that hard ...

"I am a liittle shaken up" I laughed nervously.
"Naahhhh ... why? all in a day's work" John said with his usual rough chuckle.

10 seconds later I was getting ready for my first ILS approach. By the time I had completed the procedure turn and was inbound ... I had forgotten all about it and the only thing I could think of is doing the GUMPS and repeating "Manifold at 15 for 500 fpm descent. Manifold at 15 for 500 fpm descent."

I was too busy to ponder questions about mortality and mid-air collisions anyway ... besides, it was in the past. Nothing happened ... except that the Cherokee pilot probably needed a change of underwear. No time ... gotta move on.

My first ILS approach was moderately successful. IFR sure is busy but ILS can be quite a handful if you start zig-zagging over the glideslope or across the localizer. The closer you get the more insanely sensitive they get. As bumpy as it was ... (and it was one hell of a sequence of ass-kicking jolts sometimes) ... i still managed to keep it decently centered, to the point that I earned one of the very rare "Nicely done" from John.

With glideslope you got one more sensitive parameter to check.

So John kept repeating "Don't chase the needle!! Keep your descent at 500 fpm, do small power adjustements and wait for the needle to move ... Hellooooo??? I said DON'T CHASE IT!"

Doing as he said ... i wound up right on the mark at DA ... AMAZINGLY close to the runway threshold.

ILS might be a pain to fly but once you get to DA you are basically ON TOP of the freaking runway.

I did it once more with equal success ... and then John told me that i earned to take the hood off and fly us visual back home ...

I had such a headache when I started my IFR lesson ... incredibly the headache was gone ... It was such a nice VFR day in the end (bumpy as hell though).

Funny enough ... I didn't think about writing about this lesson until I went home and asked myself "So, what interesting things happened in today's lesson that might be worth writing about? ... oh ... yeah ... the fact that we almost traded paint with a Cherokee ... that might be interesting ... "
 

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Reply #1 - Sep 20th, 2005 at 1:57pm
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Interesting Marco...you lived to tell the tale AND write about it Wink

Chalk it up to experience and I hope your instructor had a chat with the other pilot and ATC.

These things happen all to often and should not be taken lightly.

There are a few pilots out there today flying high performance singles with little experience, not really flying enough to keep current and are so busy trying to fly the aeroplane they forget everything else. Sad Sad Sad

The old girl and I were in your wonderful country not to long ago to look at another aeroplane, I want a Lake amphibian as we need two aircraft now.  (Never let your wife use your aeroplane or your Land Rover) as you will never get the use of them again.  I now know how to use the dishwasher and vacume cleaner perfectly. Grin
To make a long story short we were sitting at this bugsmashing field discussing the aircraft with the owner over a beverage.  A half ton truck drove past the flight line, onto the grass strip (runway) and right down to the end and back taking pictures of different aircraft I guess.  It took a good ten minutes.
People stood up and didn't have any clue who it was or what they were doing, nobody tried to stop them or get a licence number.  Even the two folks washing the aeroplane where they entered and exited the strip didn't say anything.  They all talked about it but did nothing.

Glad you are enjoying your instrument work, with a good instructor or safety pilot it can be a lot of fun Smiley

Cheers...Happy Landings...Doug
 
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Reply #2 - Sep 20th, 2005 at 1:59pm

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Felt like I was right there with you, great story

Steve
 
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Reply #3 - Sep 20th, 2005 at 2:05pm

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(Never let your wife use your aeroplane or your Land Rover)


What Land Rover have you got Doug?

Let me guess.......Series IIA, 109 wheelbase, soft top. Green with a 2.25 gas engine.

I used to have a Series IIA 88" diesel. Loved that truck.

Steve
 
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Reply #4 - Sep 20th, 2005 at 2:11pm
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Hi Steve Wink

No it is a Model 88 Hard Top with the aluminum engine.

Land Rovers are very popular here now especiallly the last two or three years.

Cheers...Happy Landings...Doug
 
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Reply #5 - Sep 20th, 2005 at 2:28pm

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No it is a Model 88 Hard Top with the aluminum engine


Aluminium engine? The Buick/Rover V8?

A friend of mine had a SIII Lightweight (Airportable/Half Ton) with the Rover V8. He could beat 'boy racers' in XR3i's away from the lights, sounded fantastic too. Any chance of a pic in the photo forum?

I still have the old diesel 2ltr block, crank and cam we  took out in favour of a 2.25. We've moved house 4 times and kept bringing it with us.
 
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Reply #6 - Sep 20th, 2005 at 4:53pm

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Wooeee! Happy birthday!! Wink Fun stuff, Marco. Wouldn't that have been awesome in IMC?  Wink  Cheesy

I've taken a couple of really good jolts like that- one time, in a 172, despite being strapped in pretty tight, my head actually hit the headliner. I guess I stretched... Cheesy 

 

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