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Sep 7th, 2005 at 1:37pm

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My wife just walked in the door today and handed me the new Stones album!  Grin  Stuck it right in the CD player.

It then dawned on me that it was the first "new release" album from a group that I "grew up with" that I have had in years and years and years.  

THEN it ALSO dawned on me.................. there aren't any GROUPS left that I "grew up with" that are still releasing new albums  Shocked Wink Cheesy Grin.

It is a GREAT album....sounds like the earlier Stones for the most part.   Some of the lyrics are great.  They still "got it".  Not bad for a bunch of "old guys".  

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Reply #1 - Sep 7th, 2005 at 1:46pm

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The old guys can still cut it, old musicians that is. They usually improve with age, like a fine wine. I've only heard the single which is a ballad so can't really comment. Mick Jagger's voice is beginning to sound a tad strangled to me.
 

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Reply #2 - Sep 7th, 2005 at 2:02pm

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A mod posting in the wrong forum Roll Eyes
I can't wait to get my paws on the new album, no sign of it here yet Sad
 

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Reply #3 - Sep 7th, 2005 at 2:08pm

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DOH!


I THOUGHT I was clicked onto the "Music" one... I did... I did.  Grin

Actually... my account has been "hacked".... help .... help.... someone else is posting on my account.

No.... the sun was in my eyes.  Yeah... that's it!


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Reply #4 - Sep 7th, 2005 at 2:11pm

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ehh, i may sound stupid now, but i never heard of "The stones" before

Sure it ain´t "The rocks"? Grin

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Reply #5 - Sep 7th, 2005 at 2:12pm
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Theis, they are actually talking about "The Rolling Stones" more commenly called "The Stones"...do you know them now?

Ben Grin
 
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Reply #6 - Sep 7th, 2005 at 2:13pm

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Nice try John, why didn't you use the misalignment of Neptune in relation to Capricorn? Grin
Then you could have used the Capricorn is suffering from the evil mis-posting weevil sneaking into their PC excuse Wink
 

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Reply #7 - Sep 7th, 2005 at 2:23pm

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I'm listening to "Look What The Cat Dragged In" as I type this....... again...and again..... WOW!  Never better.  Rolls along like a freight train.  Keith rips it up. 

"Sweet NeoCon" is the Stones at their political cutting best....... sparse sound and pointed lyrics........ feels like the 60's again  Wink

"She Saw me Coming" is the boys at their mysogonistic best still talking about women. 

"Driving Too Fast" is very reminiscent of early Stones...... lean instrumentation and raw harmonies.... nice.

Keith's voice however seems pretty darn weak on the slower "Infamy" ....... occasionally a hair off key.........which is the weakest track on the disk, I think.   The mix has the vocal track a tad too prominent for the strength of his current voice.   But that Keith is still ALIVE and performing considering his  .... ahem..... "lifestyle"... is amazing in and of itself.

But his fingers.... man his fingers THEY still got it.


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Reply #8 - Sep 7th, 2005 at 2:29pm

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i may sound stupid now, but i never heard of "The stones" before


Eeeehhhhh......... sonny boy.  You listen up now, ya' hear.  When I was your age..... we walked 935 miles to school ... uphill both ways.

Back in the day... there was these young guys from.... over there.....um'........ England.  And they plays music ya' see.  I'm sure ya' heard of them,...... you know the .... the insects..... oh yeah  ... The Beatles?  Well..... it weren't them.  It was them OTHER ones.

Yeah... the Rolling Stones.  That's it.

I gotta's go take a nap now.   Grin


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Reply #9 - Sep 7th, 2005 at 3:26pm

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Eeeehhhhh......... sonny boy.  You listen up now, ya' hear.  When I was your age..... we walked 935 miles to school ... uphill both ways.

LOL Grin

Have a listen here. http://www.rollingstones.com/abiggerbang/player.html
 

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Reply #10 - Sep 7th, 2005 at 3:39pm

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I'm hoping to get that album soon.  I've heard the single "Hard Justice" on the radio and I really like it.   Grin  And Considering your reviews, it makes me want it more. Smiley
 
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That song is "Rough Justice" and unfortunately is not a representative of the rest of the album.

It's not a bad album but it could have been better.
 
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Reply #12 - Sep 10th, 2005 at 1:57pm

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It's not a bad album but it could have been better.

Indeed. Did anyone try my link? You can listen to 4 complete tracks. If that's a fair sample of the album then quite frankly I'm disappointed.
 

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Reply #13 - Sep 10th, 2005 at 2:09pm

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I like the Stones...some songs are nice while other's aren't........well the greatest 8)
 
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Reply #14 - Sep 10th, 2005 at 10:45pm

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[quote author=Crumbso link=board=music;num=1126116021;start=0#11 date=09/10/05 at 13:42:51]That song is "Rough Justice" [quote]
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Bought the album yesterday and I wasn't disappointed.  Quite satified honestly.  Smiley  It stayed in my car radio all day and night during work.  Grin
 
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Reply #15 - Sep 11th, 2005 at 2:15am

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I still stand by my comments above  Grin


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Reply #16 - Sep 13th, 2005 at 5:18pm
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Bought it as a birthday gift for my dad, only had a short listen and my facit is: Not quite my cup of coffee.
 
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Bought it as a birthday gift for my dad, only had a short listen and my facit is: Not quite my cup of coffee.

I'm afraid I have to agree. It would be interesting to know what your Dad thinks of it.

I don't know how old John is but like him I grew up with the Stones. Mick Jagger is a few months younger than me. The rhythm guitarist in my group & his wife used to babysit for Charlie Watts before they were married. I always preferred the raw sound of their first albums as this reflects the excitement of the sixties when I was young. These were basically live recordings of their stage act at the time, flaws & all. I doubt it took more than a few days to record a complete album. They might be more experienced musicians now but they're no longer young & recording is so much more technical & expensive these days.
 

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True Hagar very true, that is why Aerosmiths "Honkin on Bobo" is such a breath of fresh air. Recorded completely live, it seems to give it a kind of energy that only comes from playing as a band rather than the coldness of recording seperately.

If you don't have it I suggest you get it. It's old blues rock style stuff and very good it is too.
 
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I don't know how old John is but like him I grew up with the Stones. Mick Jagger is a few months younger than me. The rhythm guitarist in my group & his wife used to babysit for Charlie Watts before they were married. I always preferred the raw sound of their first albums as this reflects the excitement of the sixties when I was young. These were basically live recordings of their stage act at the time, flaws & all. I doubt it took more than a few days to record a complete album. They might be more experienced musicians now but they're no longer young & recording is so much more technical & expensive these days.


Hagar,

Aha... another lurking musician, I see.  Now we're digging up bones.  In my case I'm a very "retired" one now Grin.  (But I still have my full kit sitting in hard cases........ wooden shell champagne sparkle Gretch with Zildjan's all arouind.)  We are not too far off each other for age...... Mick and the boys are just a couple of years older than me.  

I 100% agree that recording was a whole different thing "back in the day"  Wink.  When we were in the studio, 16 track was kinda standard but still new and 32 track was "it".  Of course it was all analog on tape for mastering.   And the contortions that you had to go thru for any real decent effects was amazing.  "Black Boxes" and patch cords up the wazzoo.

I look at some of the computerized digital stuff that you can buy in a general computer store today.... and really wish that kind of stuff had been available back when I was in "the biz".   It was a "big deal" when my group finally bought our own TEAC 1/4" 4 track machine for quick demo work and to do "post mortums" on live performances when we had it patched into the board.

And god.... a lot of demos were still "cut vinyl" for god's sake.  Lost all the low end in the process.  

I still have some 15"ps reels of some masters sitting around in the basement that are likely unplayabe now....having sat wound tight for years and years.  Probably brittle and full of print through.  Some stuff I converted from old vinyl to digital a long while back... but most of it is lost forever.

One of the things that I like about this Stones album is that it is not over produced.  Closer to their raw'er stuff. A lot of the tracks, while not "live", are likely played mostly live in the studio with minimal dubbing fleshing it out.

I still can't believe that "Infamy" was released on it though in the state that it is in....... Richards voice just seems really weak on that one.  At least they could have pulled it down in the mix into the other tracks a bit.

Anyway.......... I don't think the disk is all that bad.


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Aha... another lurking musician, I see.  Now we're digging up bones.  In my case I'm a very "retired" one now Grin.  (But I still have my full kit sitting in hard cases........ wooden shell champagne sparkle Gretch with Zildjan's all arouind.)  We are not too far off each other for age...... Mick and the boys are just a couple of years older than me.  

I 100% agree that recording was a whole different thing "back in the day"  Wink.  When we were in the studio, 16 track was kinda standard but still new and 32 track was "it".  Of course it was all analog on tape for mastering.   And the contortions that you had to go thru for any real decent effects was amazing.  "Black Boxes" and patch cords up the wazzoo.

I look at some of the computerized digital stuff that you can buy in a general computer store today.... and really wish that kind of stuff had been available back when I was in "the biz".   It was a "big deal" when my group finally bought our own TEAC 1/4" 4 track machine for quick demo work and to do "post mortums" on live performances when we had it patched into the board.

We formed our first group in 1960 when I was 17. This was long before anyone had heard of the Beatles or Stones. We all came from much the same background, the only real difference being that they were trying to make a living out of it. Not that we would have succeeded but we weren't bad at all. We regularly played 4 or even 5 nights a week for the next 12 years & the boys carried on long after I left. I sometimes wonder what we would have sounded like with the modern electronic equipment available today. It's possible we wouldn't have been so adaptable as we had no sound man or mixing desk.

Most records were recorded "live" in those days with the group being set up in the studio much like they would be on stage. The drums might be behind a small portable partition which made it difficult for the drummer. There was very little overdubbing or multi-layering. What you heard was what you got & if someone made a mistake or hit a bum note you stopped & started again until you got it right. Abbey Road studios had the first 4-track tape machine in the UK & George Martin made full use of this on the later Beatles recordings. Editing was done by physically cutting & splicing the tape. The echo chamber was exactly what the name implies, a room full of drainpipes with a speaker at one end & a mic at the other. This paved the way for the multi-track mixing we know today.

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One of the things that I like about this Stones album is that it is not over produced.  Closer to their raw'er stuff. A lot of the tracks, while not "live", are likely played mostly live in the studio with minimal dubbing fleshing it out.

A lot of the older groups have realised this & have gone back to the old methods trying to reproduce their original sounds. I think this is a good idea & the new Stones album will probably reflect this, although I don't think they can ever recapture the enthusiasm of youth.

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I still can't believe that "Infamy" was released on it though in the state that it is in....... Richards voice just seems really weak on that one.  At least they could have pulled it down in the mix into the other tracks a bit.

Not sure I've heard Infamy. This makes me giggle as it reminds me of one the most famous lines in the history of the old "Carry On" comedy films. Julius Caesar (Kenneth Williams) staggers back from an assassination attempt crying "Infamy! Infamy! They've all got it in for me!"  Shocked
I suppose you have to be a Brit to appreciate that. Wink
 

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Reply #21 - Sep 15th, 2005 at 8:54am
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I'm afraid I have to agree. It would be interesting to know what your Dad thinks of it.


He's a huge Stones fan. 'Nuff said. Wink
 
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