Search the archive:
YaBB - Yet another Bulletin Board
 
   
 
Pages: 1 2 
Send Topic Print
Just got the new Stones album (Read 679 times)
Reply #15 - Sep 11th, 2005 at 2:15am

JBaymore   Offline
Global Moderator
Under the curse of the
hombuilt cockpit!

Gender: male
Posts: 10261
*****
 
I still stand by my comments above  Grin


best,

..................john
 

... ...Intel i7 960 quad 3.2G LGA 1366, Asus P6X58D Premium, 750W Corsair, 6 gig 1600 DDR3, Spinpoint 1TB 7200 HD, Caviar 500G 7200 HD, GTX275 1280M,  Logitec Z640, Win7 Pro 64b, CH Products yoke, pedals + throttle quad, simpit
IP Logged
 
Reply #16 - Sep 13th, 2005 at 5:18pm
Heretic   Ex Member

 
Bought it as a birthday gift for my dad, only had a short listen and my facit is: Not quite my cup of coffee.
 
IP Logged
 
Reply #17 - Sep 14th, 2005 at 6:20pm

Hagar   Offline
Colonel
My Spitfire Girl
Costa Geriatrica

Posts: 33159
*****
 
Quote:
Bought it as a birthday gift for my dad, only had a short listen and my facit is: Not quite my cup of coffee.

I'm afraid I have to agree. It would be interesting to know what your Dad thinks of it.

I don't know how old John is but like him I grew up with the Stones. Mick Jagger is a few months younger than me. The rhythm guitarist in my group & his wife used to babysit for Charlie Watts before they were married. I always preferred the raw sound of their first albums as this reflects the excitement of the sixties when I was young. These were basically live recordings of their stage act at the time, flaws & all. I doubt it took more than a few days to record a complete album. They might be more experienced musicians now but they're no longer young & recording is so much more technical & expensive these days.
 

...

Founder & Sole Member - Grumpy's Over the Hill Club for Veteran Virtual Aviators
Member of the Fox Four Group

Need help? Try Grumpy's Lair

My photo gallery
IP Logged
 
Reply #18 - Sep 14th, 2005 at 7:26pm

Crumbso   Offline
Colonel
The Sea Vixen - You aint'
never seen such a fox!!!
West Sussex, England

Gender: male
Posts: 1794
*****
 
True Hagar very true, that is why Aerosmiths "Honkin on Bobo" is such a breath of fresh air. Recorded completely live, it seems to give it a kind of energy that only comes from playing as a band rather than the coldness of recording seperately.

If you don't have it I suggest you get it. It's old blues rock style stuff and very good it is too.
 
IP Logged
 
Reply #19 - Sep 14th, 2005 at 9:42pm

JBaymore   Offline
Global Moderator
Under the curse of the
hombuilt cockpit!

Gender: male
Posts: 10261
*****
 
Quote:
I don't know how old John is but like him I grew up with the Stones. Mick Jagger is a few months younger than me. The rhythm guitarist in my group & his wife used to babysit for Charlie Watts before they were married. I always preferred the raw sound of their first albums as this reflects the excitement of the sixties when I was young. These were basically live recordings of their stage act at the time, flaws & all. I doubt it took more than a few days to record a complete album. They might be more experienced musicians now but they're no longer young & recording is so much more technical & expensive these days.


Hagar,

Aha... another lurking musician, I see.  Now we're digging up bones.  In my case I'm a very "retired" one now Grin.  (But I still have my full kit sitting in hard cases........ wooden shell champagne sparkle Gretch with Zildjan's all arouind.)  We are not too far off each other for age...... Mick and the boys are just a couple of years older than me.  

I 100% agree that recording was a whole different thing "back in the day"  Wink.  When we were in the studio, 16 track was kinda standard but still new and 32 track was "it".  Of course it was all analog on tape for mastering.   And the contortions that you had to go thru for any real decent effects was amazing.  "Black Boxes" and patch cords up the wazzoo.

I look at some of the computerized digital stuff that you can buy in a general computer store today.... and really wish that kind of stuff had been available back when I was in "the biz".   It was a "big deal" when my group finally bought our own TEAC 1/4" 4 track machine for quick demo work and to do "post mortums" on live performances when we had it patched into the board.

And god.... a lot of demos were still "cut vinyl" for god's sake.  Lost all the low end in the process.  

I still have some 15"ps reels of some masters sitting around in the basement that are likely unplayabe now....having sat wound tight for years and years.  Probably brittle and full of print through.  Some stuff I converted from old vinyl to digital a long while back... but most of it is lost forever.

One of the things that I like about this Stones album is that it is not over produced.  Closer to their raw'er stuff. A lot of the tracks, while not "live", are likely played mostly live in the studio with minimal dubbing fleshing it out.

I still can't believe that "Infamy" was released on it though in the state that it is in....... Richards voice just seems really weak on that one.  At least they could have pulled it down in the mix into the other tracks a bit.

Anyway.......... I don't think the disk is all that bad.


best,

.....................john
 

... ...Intel i7 960 quad 3.2G LGA 1366, Asus P6X58D Premium, 750W Corsair, 6 gig 1600 DDR3, Spinpoint 1TB 7200 HD, Caviar 500G 7200 HD, GTX275 1280M,  Logitec Z640, Win7 Pro 64b, CH Products yoke, pedals + throttle quad, simpit
IP Logged
 
Reply #20 - Sep 15th, 2005 at 5:21am

Hagar   Offline
Colonel
My Spitfire Girl
Costa Geriatrica

Posts: 33159
*****
 
Quote:
Aha... another lurking musician, I see.  Now we're digging up bones.  In my case I'm a very "retired" one now Grin.  (But I still have my full kit sitting in hard cases........ wooden shell champagne sparkle Gretch with Zildjan's all arouind.)  We are not too far off each other for age...... Mick and the boys are just a couple of years older than me.  

I 100% agree that recording was a whole different thing "back in the day"  Wink.  When we were in the studio, 16 track was kinda standard but still new and 32 track was "it".  Of course it was all analog on tape for mastering.   And the contortions that you had to go thru for any real decent effects was amazing.  "Black Boxes" and patch cords up the wazzoo.

I look at some of the computerized digital stuff that you can buy in a general computer store today.... and really wish that kind of stuff had been available back when I was in "the biz".   It was a "big deal" when my group finally bought our own TEAC 1/4" 4 track machine for quick demo work and to do "post mortums" on live performances when we had it patched into the board.

We formed our first group in 1960 when I was 17. This was long before anyone had heard of the Beatles or Stones. We all came from much the same background, the only real difference being that they were trying to make a living out of it. Not that we would have succeeded but we weren't bad at all. We regularly played 4 or even 5 nights a week for the next 12 years & the boys carried on long after I left. I sometimes wonder what we would have sounded like with the modern electronic equipment available today. It's possible we wouldn't have been so adaptable as we had no sound man or mixing desk.

Most records were recorded "live" in those days with the group being set up in the studio much like they would be on stage. The drums might be behind a small portable partition which made it difficult for the drummer. There was very little overdubbing or multi-layering. What you heard was what you got & if someone made a mistake or hit a bum note you stopped & started again until you got it right. Abbey Road studios had the first 4-track tape machine in the UK & George Martin made full use of this on the later Beatles recordings. Editing was done by physically cutting & splicing the tape. The echo chamber was exactly what the name implies, a room full of drainpipes with a speaker at one end & a mic at the other. This paved the way for the multi-track mixing we know today.

Quote:
One of the things that I like about this Stones album is that it is not over produced.  Closer to their raw'er stuff. A lot of the tracks, while not "live", are likely played mostly live in the studio with minimal dubbing fleshing it out.

A lot of the older groups have realised this & have gone back to the old methods trying to reproduce their original sounds. I think this is a good idea & the new Stones album will probably reflect this, although I don't think they can ever recapture the enthusiasm of youth.

Quote:
I still can't believe that "Infamy" was released on it though in the state that it is in....... Richards voice just seems really weak on that one.  At least they could have pulled it down in the mix into the other tracks a bit.

Not sure I've heard Infamy. This makes me giggle as it reminds me of one the most famous lines in the history of the old "Carry On" comedy films. Julius Caesar (Kenneth Williams) staggers back from an assassination attempt crying "Infamy! Infamy! They've all got it in for me!"  Shocked
I suppose you have to be a Brit to appreciate that. Wink
 

...

Founder & Sole Member - Grumpy's Over the Hill Club for Veteran Virtual Aviators
Member of the Fox Four Group

Need help? Try Grumpy's Lair

My photo gallery
IP Logged
 
Reply #21 - Sep 15th, 2005 at 8:54am
Heretic   Ex Member

 
Quote:
I'm afraid I have to agree. It would be interesting to know what your Dad thinks of it.


He's a huge Stones fan. 'Nuff said. Wink
 
IP Logged
 
Pages: 1 2 
Send Topic Print