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Reply #15 - Sep 7th, 2005 at 4:29pm

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Very interesting thoughts Sam. I agree that once something has been discovered or invented there's no way to uninvent it. It's also quite likely that nuclear weapons played a very big part in preventing WWIII athough we came pretty close to a full nuclear war more than once. During this period (1960s) the trend seemed to be towards bigger & better versions of the basic weapon with other countries wanting to join the club with their own independent nuclear ability. The tests had already been done by others so what was the point of continually repeating them? That was what I couldn't understand then & now, 40 years later.

As you said, there was a lot of sabre-rattling with both sides trying to beat the other. The old 'mine's bigger than yours' schoolboy boast. What I find hard to take is that supposedly responsible politicians & scientists on all sides were acting just like schoolboys & prepared to destroy the planet we all live on just to prove a point. This is no exaggeration as there was a theory that a big enough explosion could start a chain reaction which would do just that. The point is that they simply didn't know but were prepared to risk it anyway. They had no idea of the effects their experiments would have on themselves or others, many of them completely innocent people living 1,000s of miles away, either as a direct result of their experiments or the more frightening long-term effect on the environment & the food we eat. It's quite likely that we're all still suffering from that terrible legacy. I would like to think that they learned their lesson but I'm not convinced of that.
 

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Reply #16 - Sep 8th, 2005 at 2:46am

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Sweet!
I remember in a science comp we had to calculate its maximum yield or something...got it right, but neverthe less, I want one of them!
They should've tried it out on a country that was pissing them off, or didnt count...like Manchuria Tongue
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That is NOT protection! That is extravegancy!

That's not extravagancy.  It's man not doing his job and being an idiot.

Quite a tone shift for one post as well.
 

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Reply #17 - Sep 8th, 2005 at 2:47am
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I can tell you where all this started.
Over Poland.
If Russia wasnt such a little gimp when it was negotiating over the Curzon Line, then Britain and America wouldn't have had deteriorating relations with the Ruskis.
Nuclear science is a beautiful thing, but not as 100 megatons of yield coming down on your head.


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Reply #18 - Sep 8th, 2005 at 2:54am

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Capitalist and communist nations were at ends long before any single event of World War II (much less during post-conflict negotiations).  The white and red armies of the Russian Revolution come to mind.
 

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Reply #19 - Sep 8th, 2005 at 5:00am

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That's not extravagancy.  It's man not doing his job and being an idiot.


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Reply #20 - Sep 8th, 2005 at 11:56pm

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...It's man not doing his job and being an idiot.
That's because he's confused his job with what he foolishly has made a hobby.
The USAF had a slogan: "Peace is Our Profession"
Someone rewrote: "Peace is Our Profession -- War is Just Our Hobby"
 
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Reply #21 - Sep 9th, 2005 at 11:16pm

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Someone rewrote: "Peace is Our Profession -- War is Just Our Hobby"

This is almost akin to calling the Vietnam veterans baby killers.  More than likely, those actually doing the bombing would have little to no say about carrying out a strike.
 

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Reply #22 - Sep 10th, 2005 at 2:37am

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More than likely, those actually doing the bombing would have little to no say about carrying out a strike.

No doubt about it. This applies to the armed services of all nations. RAF Bomber Command in WWII is a good example.
 

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Reply #23 - Sep 10th, 2005 at 4:32am

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This is almost akin to calling the Vietnam veterans baby killers.
The one who wrote it is a Vietnam War veteran.
 
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Reply #24 - Sep 13th, 2005 at 3:17pm

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The one who wrote it is a Vietnam War veteran.


I can understand both of your points of view.  It depends on the perspective of the author.  The Vet who wrote that could have written it tongue-in-cheek, as in occupational humor, or it could have been written by an anti-military activist to disparage the military.  It could go either way, depending on the author.
 

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Reply #25 - Sep 13th, 2005 at 5:06pm
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Beautiful, that bomb!
 
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Reply #26 - Sep 14th, 2005 at 5:46am

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I can understand both of your points of view.  It depends on the perspective of the author.  The Vet who wrote that could have written it tongue-in-cheek, as in occupational humor, or it could have been written by an anti-military activist to disparage the military.  It could go either way, depending on the author.
I'm quite certain it was a " tongue-in-cheek" intent  Roll Eyes.
 
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Reply #27 - Sep 14th, 2005 at 6:01am

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Sardonic humour is common in all military services. It's the same with any group of people that continually work under stress. This is often misunderstood by academics, most of whom have never been in that situation themselves. I suspect this causes a lot of suspicion & accusations that in most cases are completely unfounded.
 

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Reply #28 - Sep 14th, 2005 at 1:52pm

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I'm quite certain it was a " tongue-in-cheek" intent  Roll Eyes.


That's what I assume as well, but when you have some Viet Nam vets calling the war "the biggest nothing in history" and accusing military personnel of behaving like Gengis Kahn, you can't just assume anything anymore.
 

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Reply #29 - Sep 15th, 2005 at 1:15am

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That's what I assume as well, but when you have some Viet Nam vets calling the war "the biggest nothing in history" and accusing military personnel of behaving like Gengis Kahn, you can't just assume anything anymore.
Unfortunately, that's always true.
 
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