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Aug 29th, 2005 at 3:34pm

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Hi all,

Tis my first flying lesson on Thursday at Clacton Airfield, UK in a Cessna 152 on a grass runway.

I wondered if there any basic pointers you can give me or things I should know?

Also... my only flight experience so far has been FS, and even though I've practiced my flight/plane in FS, does real aviation have any huge differences I should know about?

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Reply #1 - Aug 29th, 2005 at 4:05pm

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1. Enjoy it!

Be prepared for subtle differences - it's hard to describe them (apart from the obvious ones such as noise and vibration, and the control loads). Try and get into the habit of using the rudder (on most light aircraft i've flown its easy to forget it exists!).

Do as much hands on as your instructor allows...

Hope it goes well! Smiley

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Reply #2 - Aug 29th, 2005 at 5:46pm

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Try to stay in the middle of the air.

Do not go near the edges of it.

The edges of the air can be recognized by the appearance of ground,  buildings, sea, trees and interstellar space.

It is much more difficult to fly in those areas.  Grin

most importantly, enjoy it, listen to your instructor and have fun. and remember... there are no stupid questions, only stupid people!

Best of luck!
 
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Reply #3 - Aug 29th, 2005 at 7:02pm

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As said: have fun, but FOCUS! This is harder than it sounds.

Very important: Make sure your seat is in the right position. Your arms should be bend (hands aboce knees) when touching the controlls or you'll wind up begging your instructor to take over again after 15 minutes or so.  Grin

Also: Don't nod your head when answering. Say YES or NO or whatever else is required. Look for other planes and tell your instructor when you see one close to you or will be in the near future. (example: traffic, 2 'o clock low)
This way he/she knows that you're paying attention to the outside world as well. And don't hasitate to correct your instructor when he does something wrong. He/ she can do it on purpose to see if you're paying attention. (Mine turned the compass in the wrong way, that sort of stuff)

As for the FS/real difference. It's just handy to know what all the gauges do and it's nice to know something about traffic patterns and how you controll the aircraft. Your instructor will tell you anyway.
As for the flying itself: All your FS experience means exactly d*ck when you're going to fly a real plane. It's very different. My big mistake was looking at the gauges all the time, instead of trying to 'feel' what the plane was doing.

Anyway, you're going to have a very good time and I hope this helped prepare you a bit.

Oh... and try not to squeeze the controlls. You can fly a plane with 2 fingers. (Don't really fly with 2 finger though! unless your instructor tells you to) Try to be relaxed. Let the plane do her little dances. It all doesn't matter as long as you get where you're going. Try not to gain/loose too much altitude though. Flying a plane is more like sailing a boat than driving a car. Good luck, and have fun!
 
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Reply #4 - Aug 30th, 2005 at 12:56pm

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Heheh, many thanks guys Cheesy Much appreciated the pointers!

I'll try and post some piccies or a post on how it goes or something Cheesy
 

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Reply #5 - Aug 30th, 2005 at 6:44pm

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Hmm... here's a few lessons learned:
Don't be intimidated or discouraged if the CFI seems to be throwing a lot of info. at you- that's typical, and if the CFI is good, he or she will also make sure you are learning what you need to know to get started and have fun. They aren't out to spoil your fun- they just want to see how well you soak this stuff up, esp. if you have told them you're serious about learning to fly. You'll be allowed to forget some of it later, but not for long...
Be sure to acknowledge what you're being told (like if they say: "my airplane". Instructors like to know you intend to let go when they ask you to), and by all means speak up if it is unclear or you have some question about something the CFI hasn't mentioned. Feel free to criticise, also- you're paying for this. Their response may teach you something important (like that you don't know what you're talking about, or perhaps that this is somebody you won't be happy flying with), or you may remind them that they're still learning, too. Just save your critique  for the de-brief   , and think before you speak. My CFI for my 2-year review surprised me recently by asking me "How did I do?"- the mark of a good instructor!
  It's easy to sort of fall into a trance the first time you grab yourself a handful of airplane- savor that moment, but remember, it's a flight lesson, and you should make the most of it. Daydreaming or fooling around is for when you're on the ground- real flight is like walking the razor edge between total abandon and the most intense, serious concentration... I love that edge, and I think you might feel at home there, too.
  And if you're disappointed afterwards, feeling you could've done better, get over it- just turn that around and decide to fix whatever's wrong next time. And if the instructor rubs you the wrong way (liike if they yell at you or whatever), don't be shy about choosing a different one for your next lesson. Don't mean to be negative- it happens...and the instructor-student relationship must be harmonious, or your training will suffer.

As for the differences: no matter how good the FS model, it's not quite the same, handling-wise... and it's also very different when it's a dual lesson.  But I bet you'll find that in many ways, flying a real 152 is easier than in the sim, depending on weather conditions that day.
Good luck, and let us know how much fun you had!!
Grin
 

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Reply #6 - Aug 31st, 2005 at 6:47am

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Thanks rottydaddy Cheesy

I exepcted a good response in terms of pointers to this topic, but I didn't expect the large amount of valuable info I learned by reading it! Cheesy

"Stuff I learned from this topic"

-Try and use the rudder
-Correct seat position
-Acknowledge instructions clearly
-Be aware of environment/traffic
-Don't be over-tense at the controls
-Soak up the info given/ask questions if not sure
-Concentrate
-Find an instructor I can get along with Tongue

Here's hoping the first lesson goes well...
 

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Reply #7 - Aug 31st, 2005 at 3:24pm

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Ooh yeah- seat postion; that's a biggie. Take some time with that before start-up. Depends on the plane, but you should be able to at least crank the seat higher or lower as well as setting its fore/aft postion. The 172s also have a crank under the seat to adjust the angle of the seat back, but i can't remember what the setup is on 152s...
Whatever the case, it's important to have things set up right for you. ask the CFI, BEFORE STARTUP, how to adjust it and what he/she thinks is right for you. Personally, I like to be just high enough to see a little sliver of cowling over the panel and glareshield... any higher in a high-wing and you can't see well out the sides. As for your distance from the panel and controls: experiment. And make sure the seat is latched on its rail   before takeoff... Shocked!!  I've had old 150 seats slide back a few inches on me... a little too exciting! Grin
 

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Reply #8 - Sep 1st, 2005 at 12:43pm

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Had the lesson and I'm definitely going for more Cheesy

Your advice helped, everyone Cheesy

I was lucky to have good weather and a sky clear of traffic too!

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Do as much hands on as your instructor allows...

It was in a Cessna 150 for half an hour and I flew for 90%-odd of that- which is great considering it was the first lesson.

All the CFI flew for was takeoff and final approach/landing- I could select heading and change course whenever to get a feel for the plane, which was excellent- if a little disconcerting controlling a plane at 3000ft. I also had to find the airfield and line up for final approach (which of course the CFI took over for).

So I'm definitely going for more lessons, cash permitting.

Rottydaddy- If only I'd read that this morning Tongue I found the seat a tiny bit low so I had to lean up slightly to line the horizon up, but apart from that, the seat position was perfect.

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real flight is like walking the razor edge between total abandon and the most intense, serious concentration... I love that edge, and I think you might feel at home there, too.

Definitely!

Today I've learned about rudder use, Carb Heat, Trimwheel and throttle use... and not to fly too close to the airfield as I was given a hint about that inflight:P

The only slightly hairy moment was some turbulence at 2900 just below the clouds... and four idiot kids playing on the runway as we landed who had to run out of the way of the plane as we were slowing down Wink The pilot obviously wasn't too happy and set off after them on foot once we stopped, leaving me one final chance to inspect the panel and instruments with the engine off before he returned (the kids got away from him). Tongue

Cheesy I'm one happy flyer! And I followed all the things I learned here... but yes, I admit squeezed the controls at first... lol
 

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Well, I'm glad you had fun. Keep at it, because learning to fly is a very rewarding experience. Smiley
 

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Reply #10 - Sep 2nd, 2005 at 10:36am

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Cheesy Thanks I think I will...
 

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Reply #11 - Sep 2nd, 2005 at 6:07pm

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Nice to see you enjoyed it! Good luck on your future lessons (and career?).
 
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Reply #12 - Sep 3rd, 2005 at 2:33am
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Glad you had fun Tom...There is some real good advice worth taking in the previous posts...if I could add just one more thing it would be to....Learn something new each and every day Wink

Have fun Smiley

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Reply #13 - Sep 3rd, 2005 at 8:03am

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Grin Cheers for all your help everybody!
 

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Reply #14 - Sep 5th, 2005 at 12:08am

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Way to go, Tom!!!  Grin
Addictive... isn't it?   Grin
And don't worry about kids on the runway... if they're under 12, they won't do much serious damage to the prop...  Grin
 

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Way to go, Tom!!!  Grin
Addictive... isn't it?   Grin
And don't worry about kids on the runway... if they're under 12, they won't do much serious damage to the prop...  Grin



They mite not, but birds do!!!! stupid things. It's as if they want to be splattered across the windshield! Sitting on the runway as if the own it. Tongue
 

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Reply #16 - Oct 5th, 2005 at 4:13pm
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but yes, I admit squeezed the controls at first... lol


hahahaha...............when I first started my left arm would go to sleep because I had the "DEATH GRIP" on the yoke. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Glad your having fun......keep it up.

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hahahaha...............when I first started my left arm would go to sleep because I had the "DEATH GRIP" on the yoke. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Thank God I'm not the only one.  I used to have to ice my hand after a flight because of how tight I was holding it Roll Eyes
 
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Reply #18 - Oct 6th, 2005 at 3:56pm

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I used to grip it pretty heavily, and still did for a lot of my training.  Its like, you come back to land, after a whole days flight, and your palms are all swetty.  I have to take my hand off the control yoke, open up the vent, and put my hand there to dry off!
 

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Definitely get the sweaty palms sometimes (esp. the last coupla flights, back in the air after a long time, crosswinds, etc. Pre-landing checklist: carb heat, power back, flaps, wipe palms on shirt, ...), but never had a problem with the ol' death-grip.
  I'd already read so much about flying before starting lessons that I was always very conscious of trying to use the  "fingertip" approach... and it definitely works better than the tight grip.
It's like Bob Hoover once said: "You can get an airplane to do almost anything you want it to- if you're gentle". I'm glad I read that bit of wisdom before I ever grabbed the controls of an airplane.

I do remember once during my training, I think it'd been a while between lessons- I heard this loud, weird noise in the headset as I was climbing out after takeoff, and realized it was my breathing. I was nearly hyperventilating, thru my nose, right into the mic....sounded like a dirty phone call...  LOL. I'm surprised the CFI didn't say anything...

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Definitely get the sweaty palms sometimes (esp. the last coupla flights, back in the air after a long time, crosswinds, etc. Pre-landing checklist: carb heat, power back, flaps, wipe palms on shirt, ...), but never had a problem with the ol' death-grip.
 I'd already read so much about flying before starting lessons that I was always very conscious of trying to use the  "fingertip" approach... and it definitely works better than the tight grip.
It's like Bob Hoover once said: "You can get an airplane to do almost anything you want it to- if you're gentle". I'm glad I read that bit of wisdom before I ever grabbed the controls of an airplane.

I do remember once during my training, I think it'd been a while between lessons- I heard this loud, weird noise in the headset as I was climbing out after takeoff, and realized it was my breathing. I was nearly hyperventilating, thru my nose, right into the mic....sounded like a dirty phone call...  LOL. I'm surprised the CFI didn't say anything...

Grin



at least you remembered........I flew all the time in air cadets but never on a landing...............this is where my "death grip" occured. Especially with some nice turbulance....... Grin

I take it there are quite a ffew people on this board who are actually pilots or are taking?

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Definitely get the sweaty palms sometimes


You need a nice pair of leather flying gloves Sean... Smiley

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I do remember once during my training, I think it'd been a while between lessons- I heard this loud, weird noise in the headset as I was climbing out after takeoff, and realized it was my breathing. I was nearly hyperventilating, thru my nose, right into the mic....sounded like a dirty phone call...  LOL. I'm surprised the CFI didn't say anything...

Grin


I always find the noise of my breathing reassuring as it means:

1) Mic's still working
2) Earcups are still working
3) Oxygen's still working! Smiley
 
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I'll try and post some piccies or a post on how it goes or something


Dont do that. I had a guy in my instruction group who got yelled at for taking pictures the whole time instead of concentrating on the flying.  Grin

Guess he wanted to contrubute to airliners.net LOL
 

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Just ask if it is ok to take pictures sometime...
 
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It's a tad late now but my advice would be to forget everything you think you know & listen to your instructor. This way you will have no preconceived ideas & will learn his/her way of doing it right from the start. This is true of any form of tuition whether flying lessons or in the classroom. I would much rather teach a complete beginner than someone who thinks they know better than me.
 

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It's a tad late now but my advice would be to forget everything you think you know & listen to your instructor. This way you will have no preconceived ideas & will learn his/her way of doing it right from the start. This is true of any form of tuition whether flying lessons or in the classroom. I would much rather teach a complete beginner than someone who thinks they know better than me.


In most cases I would be inclined to believe you, however there are exceptions. For example, my math teacher telling us to do the problems the longest possible way while I do them the shortest possible way and get the same answer. After she gave me a 50 on a test I went to the head of the math department(a family freind) and asked him whether or not my way was correct.  He said that it is the way that he teaches, needless to say a few heads went rolling... I ended up with the 97 that I deserved.
 
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The difference between math and flying, marksman?

In math, arrogance and things you think you know won't get you killed.
 
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The difference between math and flying, marksman?

In math, arrogance and things you think you know won't get you killed.


Very true indeed...
 
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Reply #29 - Nov 28th, 2005 at 4:24pm

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Grin Hopefully going for a second lesson in January so thanks!
 

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Grin Hopefully going for a second lesson in January so thanks!

Good to hear Tom! I'm sure you'll have a blast. Smiley
 
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