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I am not sure what you are actually trying to say there. 

The way you have said the above........ it APPEARS that you are saying that you don't condone theft.... BUT that you don't consider that downloading and "filesharing" of copyrighted material is theft.

Is that what you meant?  ???


best,

..................john

Nemo,

Thanks... that clears that up.  And take care of yourself.

best,

..................john

I would be confused myself if I was looking at Roller-girl while trying to type!   

Dave

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Untrue... LDS was out on torrents the same day it was released (I know as I help run a legal-only torrent site...where home artists can post their stuff. We police it so anything that is posted that is NOT made by that person, is removed)

Anyway, my take on it is, I only download to evaluate.  I am sorry but my thinking is why the hell am I going to pay someone $60 (I paid $20 for FS9!) based on just the pretty pictures the post on their site?

Let me have a trial/demo to try...let me kick the tires and see if it's something I want to buy.  Some add-on companys do this, and I will use the demos.

Some (like LDS) don't so I download their product and test it out.  If I like it, I buy it LEGALLY and delete the download...(and I send them a nice email letting them know they need demos of their craft).  If I DON'T like it, I delete the aircraft all together.

Only reason I download the craft is to try them out to see if I want them in my hanger.  Companies allow you to listen before you buy at most music stores; Movie makers give you previews of their movies to tease you into watch the full thing; Car lots let you test drive the vehical you want before buying; hell even grocery stores have taste test stands set up to let you test of the food before buying it; Microsoft allows you to demo their Office and windows products...

Certain add-on companies (and I use that term loosely) don't like the idea of people demoing their products...too bad.  Just because we won't blindly give you our money based on a few nice words and pretty pictures on your website, doesn't me that we are out to rob you.  It just means we are smart consumers...

Or at least that is just me.

BTW: I legally own all of my payware craft and only have a few freeware craft left in my hanger (they just seem so bare and.....childish..... after playing with the payware stuff)  As for the tracking software, well I run a very paranoid network where I have hardware firewalls, and a proxy server before anything hits the net...or access my machines.  I hard locked that reporting software from ever getting on the net.

bschott,

I'm with Kevin on this one.... what you describe is stealing ... and you are just rationalizing the behavior.  And with your "lockdowns" and such... you obviously are approaching it "professionally".

When a company offers demos and taste tests and test drives they CHOOSE to do that.  They authorize you to try the product.  What you are describing is the equivalent of going onto the car lot and stealing the car... joyriding it... and then returning it to the lot. 

It is perfectly fine to not want to buy something that you can't test.  That is YOUR choice to make... and the company in question might lose out on you as a customer.  But they decided to take that risk.  That's why they don't offer a "try it" option.  You might not like it... but it is THEIR property and they can do whatever they want with it.

Don't like it... vote with your feet (and your money).  But you want your cake and eat it too.

Simply deciding that YOU don't like or agree with their policy so you will then do whatever you want to with their product is pretty selfish, inconsiderate, and self-centered.  Not to mention illegal.

Sorry... but it doesn't wash.

best,

..................john

I think we will never be able to stop those cracker.
No matter how hard the copyright protection is,
they will crack it.
I think there is one way how
you can at least really shock the people that are
downloading payware or any other copyright protected software. Make something like hidden traps. For example..
I work with the render software vray for 3dsmax.
Of course shortly after the release it could be found cracked
on the internet. But what the cracker did not know... just
removing the copyright protection wasn´t enough. They build in a little feature that would render each frame in an animation in a slightly different color. Not noticable when
looking at a picture.. but strongly visible if you play the animation. Now every week at least 2 people pop up at their forum and ask "I have a strange flickering in my animation.. what can I do"  Like this you can give
those people at least a verbal slap in their face.
Payware designer should release buggy versions
and spread them over the net.
I could think of little inbuild features like... format c:
and so on

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I guess the above is his disclaimer  


No matter what bschott, you steal it, if you like it you buy it, if you don't like it you stick it in your “hanger” and fly it here and there when you want.
Basically that is what I do with all the payware that I have paid for!
I buy the aircraft, fly it, and stick it in a hanger.
I buy another and stick it in a hanger.
A few months go by and I stumble on that not-so-great payware aircraft and you know what I do……. Fly it,…… LEGALLY!


Dave

And anyway, is it a new day for when a new crack comes out for a payware product?

No, it isn't, so although there is some sort of deal associated with it, it's not a big one as we KNEW beforehand that a full product download would be landing in P2P programs. That dpesn't mean I support these downloads but instead it means I'm not surprised or angry or whatever.