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Reply #30 - Aug 30th, 2005 at 11:45am

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Would that fall under politics or religion?  Smiley


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Reply #31 - Aug 30th, 2005 at 11:47am

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I personally think that if I used Limewire to get a movie, or a piece of software then I would be stealing, but I dont consider downloading music stealing.


So...... let me see if I get this right....... you are saying here that the artists and company's that produce just the intellectual property that we call "music" do not deserve to be paid for their efforts in creating it in the first place or then making that sound available for sale so that people can listen to it?

Or are you saying that because you have the tools to easily and pretty anonymously steal the music, that it is OK to do that?

Or do you mean that music has no value and hence the people who create it should not make anything for it?

Or are you saying that musicans and record companies are OK people to steal from?


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I feel their is a difference between stealing from a large company, where they can recoup their losses, and stealing from normal citizens where it is far more difficult to gain what has been lost...that's my personal opinion but oh well


SO.... again here.... let me see if I understand this...... you are saying that it is perfectly OK to steal stuff...... as long as you chose carefully WHO you steal from?  So how do you judge who is OK?  Net worth?  Annual gross income?  I get it... steal from the rich and give to the poor.


I'm sorry, but stealing is stealing..... and is morally wrong.  Rationalization on the matter is just that

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Reply #32 - Aug 30th, 2005 at 12:23pm

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Reply #33 - Aug 30th, 2005 at 12:28pm

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I'm sorry, but stealing is stealing..... and is morally wrong.  Rationalization on the matter is just that

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John - but remember, you can do things just because you can, whether it's right or wrong, and still escape the consequences, so why not steal music, or anything that's on the EEEnternet?  It's there, I can grab it, therefore I will.

I exist, therefore the guvammint owes it to me to make me happy.
 
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Reply #34 - Aug 30th, 2005 at 12:46pm

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SO.... again here.... let me see if I understand this...... you are saying that it is perfectly OK to steal stuff...... as long as you chose carefully WHO you steal from?  So how do you judge who is OK?  Net worth?  Annual gross income?
I'm off to Walmart, i need a GPS unit, when they ask why i stole it i shall point them in the direction of this thread Wink Grin
 
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Reply #35 - Aug 30th, 2005 at 1:10pm

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I'm off to Walmart, i need a GPS unit, when they ask why i stole it i shall point them in the direction of this thread Wink Grin


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Reply #36 - Aug 30th, 2005 at 3:09pm

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I'll just add my little point on this matter.

There's more fs9 pirated software out there than we would like to admit, and yes the LDS is available cracked if you really want it.

Flight 1 is doing an effort to track down piracy by installing a small dll on your computer that "calls home" when you use their software (cracked or not).

I don't like piracy and the whole music copyright is still a big issue in several goverments.. leave that discussion to them...

I would like to see more demos of aricraft, fully featured that will last for a certain amount of flights... good enough to let me see what my framerates would be and if I areally would use that aircraft... enough to entice me to buy it.

A solution? I have none... and I think there is no solution.  As long as there's software to crack, there will be piracy... And I am sure that software companies realize this and take it into count.

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Reply #37 - Aug 30th, 2005 at 3:45pm

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I would like to see more demos of aricraft, fully featured that will last for a certain amount of flights... good enough to let me see what my framerates would be and if I areally would use that aircraft... enough to entice me to buy it.


Abacus has the "fly before you buy" on SOME of their models - that 's one way.  However, ...


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A solution? I have none... and I think there is no solution.  As long as there's software to crack, there will be piracy... And I am sure that software companies realize this and take it into count.

those are my two cents ;P


Where there is a will, there is a way.  At best, we, as individuals, can police ourselves, and take whatever legal action to prevent piracy/stealing of our own products.  The sad part is that if piracy becomes widespread, there is no incentive for payware companies (or freeware developers) to participate in the market.

 
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Reply #38 - Aug 30th, 2005 at 4:20pm

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I doubt that they will not partecipate in the market...

just look at the numbers:

Consider this, there are 2 networks out there that run fs servers. and in one given day they log thousand different logins..... and consider that the online community is only a small part of the entire FS community. Add the numbers. The market is too good to let go because of a bunch of goons.

PMDG 747 $45

How many bought it the first two weeks? I'd say several thousands of people.

That is what they count on... what ever comes after that is extra... They know that within 2 weeks a crack version is bound to appear so they market their products for the first two weeks.

I would work hard to find the cracks and get them off the net.. the sooner, the better.

hmmm that makes 4 cents... ;P
 
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Reply #39 - Aug 31st, 2005 at 5:59pm

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that's strange.....
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Reply #40 - Sep 1st, 2005 at 7:09am
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.I'm getting confused here,  In one reply People basically saying Quote:
If its out there than get it while you can.
and in another Quote:
Stealing is wrong


Yes i agree that stealing is wrong but some of us can't afford these products, even thought the might save as much as they can you can always bet that something will come along and make you use the savings.

My Friend sent me this, he did one one search on Bearshare and came up with these: (sorry for taking the thread up with this screenie):
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what would people be advised to do then? go and download it illeagly or buy it from the various company's?.

....... a very confused Nemo.......... Undecided Undecided Undecided
 
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Reply #41 - Sep 1st, 2005 at 12:27pm

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I really don't have any sympathy for PMDG, or any other company that selling payware...


Hmmm, why do i think that's strange?? Grin
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Reply #42 - Sep 1st, 2005 at 2:23pm

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what would people be advised to do then? go and download it illeagly or buy it from the various company's?


Nemo,

Not sure why you are asking advice.  You need advice on theft?  

That the stuff can be easily had ...is EXACTLY what is going on with the looting in New Orleans.  It can be had... so take it.  

You are delaing with significant moral issues.  If you think theft is acceptable and you can live with yourself .......... then steal.  But don't bemoan the possible consequences... since most any society on earth does not typically condone theft very mcuh.

I wonder how much of the looting in New Orleans is some sort of perverted extrapolation of the same general societal mindset that says "downloading illegal software is perfectly OK"?

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Reply #43 - Sep 1st, 2005 at 2:31pm

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Nemo, just because you CAN do a thing does not mean you MUST do a thing.  Just because you can get it illegally does not require you do so.  That's called 'morals' and whether or not you exercise your morality is what defines you as a person...
 
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Reply #44 - Sep 1st, 2005 at 3:03pm
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Sorry. I Don't condone theft at all and I certainley don't think its acceptable as i have had things stolen from me and I am sorry if that is the way it sounds.

I do have morals but they don't involve me downloading the software and distributing it via filesharing or p2p, If i had the choice i would try my best to stop this.

........ A Very Sorry Nemo ........
 
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