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Reply #30 - Sep 22nd, 2005 at 11:09am

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while the original of "mein kampf" is indeed forbitten in germany, there are severall issues of it with extensive explanantions to the contemtible aspects of the original texts.

these are hard to get, but perfectly legal. they are mostly used in advanced history classes.

 
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Reply #31 - Sep 22nd, 2005 at 12:31pm

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History Channel has a show that discusses such a theses that Hitler ended up becoming a drug addict by his doctor.  He had stomach ailments, so his doctor treated that with drugs, he increasingly became fatigued, so his doctor prescribed stimulants for that, and the big whopper, the show suggested he had advanced stage of syphilis, which we all know, if left untreated, can make you go mad.

These are among many rumours about Hitler that have been going around for decades. They're only rumours & will never be proven because Hitler never discussed his health with anyone but his personal doctor & the doctor kept hs mouth shut. Apparently Hitler refused to allow personal examinations after coming to power which must have made treating him difficult. You don't argue with a man like that.
 
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Reply #32 - Sep 22nd, 2005 at 12:43pm

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Hitlers personal physician, Dr. Morell, kept a journal in which he vaguely described the medication that he was giving to Hitler at the time. Dr. Morell would give him pills to take whenever he felt fatigued. Another doctor managed to get one of these pills and had it analyzed. That docotor found that the pills were half vitamines and half methamphetamine. The meth addiction would explain his paranoya and irrational descision making along with his stubborness. My source is a program on the History channel called "High Hitler"- High, as in high on drugs.
 
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Reply #33 - Sep 22nd, 2005 at 12:55pm

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Unless they have new information which seems very doubtful these theories are nothing new. Read this. http://www.fpp.co.uk/Hitler/docs/Parkinsonism/VancouverSun170599.html

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As David Irving first established with his publication in 1983 of The Secret Diaries of Hitler's Doctor (William Morrow, New York, 1983) Hitler had contracted Parkinonism during the closing months of World War II, and was being treated in his final month, April 1945, by Dr Theodor Morell with two exotic, belladonna-based drugs indicated only for this medical condition.

From time to time this fact is rediscovered by other "experts," who do not always give credit for the research done by Mr Irving . . .

PS. A good friend works on documentaries shown on the History Channel among others. He told me to take these things with a very large pinch of salt which was unnecessary advice.
 
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Reply #34 - Sep 22nd, 2005 at 8:28pm

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Hitler has been diagnosed with just about every illness and condition known to man in the last 60 years, none of which have been, or can be proved because as has been stated, Hitler refused to allow anyone to examin him. It is also not wise to take everything on the history channel as fact. Especially as any about Hitler's private life are going to be at least half wild speculation. Tongue
 
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Reply #35 - Sep 23rd, 2005 at 1:23am
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Indeed.
It's part of humanity's rationalisation that "I couldn't become Hitler...he was a coke addict/moustache man/ syphilitic/crazy Austrian. The fact remains, he was a racist expansionist who got into power. Boo-hoo.
Stuff like that happens! We own3d him (for those who aren't of my age, we trounced him). End of story! We can't forget about Zyklon-B orArbeit Macht Frei or any of that other stuff, because we are scared of it. Wow! Chamberlain tried his best, but it didnt stop him. Fact is, everyone is scared of Hitler. Some admire him, some hate him. The fact is, he's an issue with which the world can't bear to forget!
The last man in the western world to bear kingly power? Yes. The last man in the western world to be brought down to nothing? Yes.
But the 1000 year Reich has lived on in our memories, books, games and television programs. Who's won? I'm not so pleased.


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P.S Woody, it appears I've got my facts wrong! You are quite right. Stalin wanted sham trials, Churchill wanted Breaker Morant style summary execution and the Yanks wanted real trials.
 
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Reply #36 - Sep 23rd, 2005 at 2:36am

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For the most part Flt.Lt.Andrew, I agree with you. Some specifics I question as typed (maybe it's just my inability to follow it as it's written).
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The last man in the western world to bear kingly power? Yes. The last man in the western world to be brought down to nothing? Yes.
Arguably, and we would hope so in the "tyranical" aspect, but not necessarily: the future is the future. I think your previous sentence to the quote and that following reflects this.
 
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Reply #37 - Sep 23rd, 2005 at 3:57am

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The last man in the western world to bear kingly power? Yes. The last man in the western world to be brought down to nothing? Yes.

If you mean dictator I would also have to disagree. There will always be men like Hitler & possibly even worse. Unfortunately we never seem to learn from history.
 
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Reply #38 - Sep 23rd, 2005 at 12:13pm

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Anyone seen Downfall yet?

I saw it over the weekend.  It's a very good movie.
 
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Reply #39 - Sep 23rd, 2005 at 2:33pm
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Anyone seen Downfall yet?


Twice. The only movie that made me cry and one of the best movies ever, at least better than any modern Hollywood interpretation of WW2.
 
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Reply #40 - Sep 23rd, 2005 at 3:44pm

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Twice. The only movie that made me cry and one of the best movies ever, at least better than any modern Hollywood interpretation of WW2.



Well, I haven't seen The Great Raid yet, but I thought Windtalkers was good, The Pianist was good - and based on a true story too, and Schindler's list was good too.  Maybe I'm picking nits, but it always annoyed me to see German soldiers with shaven heads in Saving Private Ryan.  In every picture and film I've seen, German soldiers always had a full head of hair, often with it quite long in the front and combed over.
 
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Reply #41 - Sep 24th, 2005 at 1:32am

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...Maybe I'm picking nits, but it always annoyed me to see German soldiers with shaven heads in Saving Private Ryan.  In every picture and film I've seen, German soldiers always had a full head of hair, often with it quite long in the front and combed over.
Or that in many shows in the past a dozen of them would totally miss an upright target not even 30 feet away Embarrassed ...uh, sure Roll Eyes
 
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Reply #42 - Sep 24th, 2005 at 6:28am
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Or that in many shows in the past a dozen of them would totally miss an upright target not even 30 feet away Embarrassed ...uh, sure Roll Eyes


...and in every WW2 shooter, there are millions of them coming at you, brainlessly and wave after wave after wave.
Okay, the Soviet Union was invaded with almost two million men, but that doesn't justify the endless waves of Wehrmacht guys you encounter. :/
 
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Reply #43 - Sep 24th, 2005 at 11:44pm

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It is also not wise to take everything on the history channel as fact.


I agree. I usually try to verify things I learn on the history channel that I find interesting. Unfortunately with this subject, I am now finding that everyone and their dog has a theory with half-assed proof that Hitler was a druggie/crazy/gay/uni-ball/lesbian hooker with three legs from thailand who ate chocolate. Roll Eyes So I formally retract my statement about the meth. Carry on.
 
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Reply #44 - Sep 25th, 2005 at 8:43am
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Hitler was a guy like you and me with some strange views and ideas and that's about it.
 
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