Simviation Forum - what payware aircraft should i build...

Jul 6^th, 2005 at 5:35pm

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I want to know in your opinion what payware aircraft I should make even if there is one out there but it isnt very good in the payware or freeware aircraft world.

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Reply #1 - Jul 6^th, 2005 at 7:44pm

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well someone allready made a b-17 so...how about a beech starship.

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Reply #2 - Jul 6^th, 2005 at 8:18pm

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What is your intended market?

Do you have a retail outlet set up? Are you going to approach on of the established payware providers or are you going to market it on your own?

Without having a clue of your modelling and flightsimming background, do you have the modelling capabilities to put out a commercially acceptable model, textures, flight dynamics, and otherwise interesting package?

Basically, have you asked yourself why should someone pay for your model?

Maybe a Beech Starship can be a good seller, I'd suggest go for it!

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Reply #3 - Jul 6^th, 2005 at 10:53pm

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My intended market is everyone who would want to buy payware. I dont have any market outlet... I am going to put it on simmarket. Any way, my plane will be very high quillity including custom gauges outstanding flight dynamics and all that other stuff. And someone would pay for my payware aircraft because it will be awsome!!!
here a pic

http://www.anav8r.com/ss8244l.jpg

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Reply #4 - Jul 6^th, 2005 at 11:22pm

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1 - You linked the image from another site - against Forum rules, so I've deleted the tags to the PHOTO.

2. Again, considering I do not know your modelling, gauge-building, flight dynamics abilities, may I suggest that no, your market is NOT "everyone who will buy payware". I buy payware from time to time, but I will NOT buy your Beech Starship - not because *you* built it, etc., but because that type of aircraft does not appeal to me.

So I suggest that your market is a bit more limited.

It might not hurt to put out one or two good freeware models, sort of a teaser for people to see what they can expect from you. Many payware producers have put out freeware projects, which have the effect of encouraging customers, or freeware producers have had a good following when they went payware.

Please consider my statements as questions to think about to better market and focus your product.

Good luck on your project.

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Reply #5 - Jul 7^th, 2005 at 10:17am

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soory about the photo wont hapen again.
Well maybe im not quiet up to date with the ms payware world but in a sense Im not going for a specific groupe...im just going with people that like prop planes.
And if you want to read some facts read this...it is quiet a amazing plane.http://www.airliners.net/info/stats.main?id=69 amazing aircraft..thats wy im building it for the payware world and I will take all you suggestions.

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Reply #6 - Jul 9^th, 2005 at 8:13am

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Another idea for a payware project is to release the payware model in a crippled form as freeware. No panel or VC, few or no exterior animations. This allows the users a try it before you buy it option. Though some designers feel this method hurts sales. BTW there is a moderated payware forum further down the forums list. You could probably get more expert advice there.

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Reply #7 - Jul 9^th, 2005 at 9:31am

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GLitch - good idea - I hadn't thought of it... Moving now.

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Reply #8 - Jul 9^th, 2005 at 9:57am

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A try before you buy option is always a good idea. I know a few companies program something into their payware that lets you use the full model for a period of time before you have to register it by buying it. Normally a trial use of 1 to 4 weeks.

Some do have limited abilities compared to the registered version as you mentioned but a lot of people would rather try out the whole package for a limited time rather than test limited functionality then buy and find that they dont like the guages, or animations for some particular reason.

Just things to consider. Have you any freeware models you have built in the past?

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Reply #9 - Jul 9^th, 2005 at 10:59am

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A Eurofighter ( or any modern military a/c) would bring in some money for you..

Where-as..
Something like a beech starship would appeal to the other side of the market..

Its a tough decision you have to make.

But i always have to poke someone towards a vampire.. Wink

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Reply #10 - Jul 9^th, 2005 at 12:56pm

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Meh...I would buy any starship...

...since there is only one out there and its half done Tongue

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Reply #11 - Jul 9^th, 2005 at 1:07pm

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Quote:

Meh...I would buy any starship...

...since there is only one out there and its half done Tongue

Half done??

Wait...nevermind I think I know of which you refer that are like ordering a hamburger well done and getting it medium rare

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Reply #12 - Jul 9^th, 2005 at 2:31pm

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Wow, I really do like the Starship; too bad it was never much of a sales success. I'm thoroughly unimpressed with the freeware one out there. A payware version? There's a fair chance I'd get it, but I'm afraid your overall market might not be that sizable. Well, best of luck in your decisions, and cheers!

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Reply #13 - Jul 10^th, 2005 at 3:00am

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MD-80...

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Reply #14 - Jul 10^th, 2005 at 10:51pm

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ha ha thats 2 customers right there...lol. Ithink this aircraft will be either a perty popular or...not. and the next payware I may make a md-80.

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Reply #15 - Jul 11^th, 2005 at 6:15am

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The market approach trying to know what is mostly wished is the good one.

It will be difficult to be successful making a xxxth A320 or B737.

BUT must be completed by your own wish; "what plane doy YOU like more ammong those missing in the FS world.

An FS plane is not only a product but also an art piece, good results need that you enjoy doing the job. If your dreams are populated with warbirds, would you enjoy building an heavy airliner ?

However take a look on the Italian, British and French aviation history. There is a gold mine there from the smallest to the heavier remaining to be modeled for flight sim.

I take time to collect and post some picture and link them in a futher post.

But my current sign below show you already something I did not find yey for FS2004...

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Reply #16 - Jul 11^th, 2005 at 6:42am

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Actually, I would like a good 737-100/200...

Only seen a few freeware ones, and they aren't exactly "up to standards" Roll Eyes

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...but like Pegase said, its up to you, but what ever it is, put your heart and soul into it Wink

(Because If I am not satisfied with something that I spent money on, I get pissed; and you DO NOT want to see me mad)

hehe..theres some motivation Grin

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Reply #17 - Jul 11^th, 2005 at 7:59am

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Reply #18 - Jul 11^th, 2005 at 10:32pm

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I haven't seen an A300 or A310 payware which is somewhat dissapointing...and although there are a few MD-80's around I feel like no one has gotten it right.

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Reply #19 - Jul 12^th, 2005 at 1:07am

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Ehum..........LOL

It´s release has been long delayed, but will be ready pretty soon (as it´s going an upgrade)
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Reply #20 - Jul 12^th, 2005 at 1:14am

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In another thing..i really think you shouldn´t be asking what people wants you to build, while vaulable,you´ll get mixed ideas, and bottom line, it´s up to you.My suggestions, as a payware developer myself, is that you do what you feel you should do, and be prepared for months behind that pc.The best advice i can give you is, get all the info you can in the actual plane, take a month at least, looking for it, make a deep research, talk with people who havebeen involved with it, most of them are nice persons.The payware market is getting very demanding, for every great freeware out there, the payware quailty and detail expectancy gets 1 notch up, so be prepared.
Anyway, good luck and i´ll be looking for your releases, whenever that happens.
Best regards
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Reply #21 - Jul 12^th, 2005 at 4:48am

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Pretty one Prowler,

I am more into airliners and general aviation but, I am sure load of simmers will jump on this one when they know where to find it

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Reply #22 - Jul 12^th, 2005 at 6:24am

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hey
Gmaxer, in my opinion, the starship was a very good choice, there is no decent starships out there in the flight Sim world. I definitely would buy it if I had a credit card or paypal. It might be abit hard to find accurate fuel burn on it and find how all the instruments work in real life. Have you ever created any other planes before?

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Reply #23 - Jul 12^th, 2005 at 1:59pm

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A long time ago, TLUK made an F6F-3 Hellcat....to boost sales, they released a freeware model with no panel, no sounds, and no exterior animations...dunno if it had any effect whatsoever on sales, but it's been done...

Also, if you need help with Starship stuff, I know the perfect person to talk to....Dallas Kachan. He flew a Beech Starship around the world...

http://www.starshipdiaries.com/

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Reply #24 - Jul 12^th, 2005 at 3:59pm

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Yeah, I would probably by a Starship and I never by payware GA.

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