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Jun 18^th, 2005 at 11:36am

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Back when I had the Asus A7V8X-La Board the temp was around 60C idle there is no telling what it would say when loaded, however using Asusprobe it registered 42C Idle 64C loaded.
Temps dropped to 52C in the bios and 37-54 with Asus Probe when I changed the cooler. Which one is more accurate, the Bios or Asusprobe for that board?

I replaced that board with an Asrock K7S41 and using the cpu cooler ( a Dynatron 60mm with a copper heatsink)the Bios now says 49-51 Idle 57 loaded. I tried the Motherboard Monitor 5 but it says 127C and cpu both. Speedfan does not work with this SIS chipset I guess, it gave me a time out error message. I do not know which utility I need to use in order to get an accurate temp reading.

I did not reapply any of that thermal pad because it seem to have enough on there and I did not have anything CPU paste anyways.

I also installed an evercool aluminum 92x92x25mm rear fan which pushes much more than the previous one.

Is the Bios giving me an accurate reading, does it look about right? Surely temps didn't go up because I changed the motherboard.

The Bios is V1.7 which is the latest one

Thanks in advance

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Reply #1 - Jun 18^th, 2005 at 12:44pm

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Read here...>>>

http://www.arcticsilver.com/instructions.htm

It is VITAL that great care is taken in removing and re-applying thermal heat sink compound to processor chips and coolers...!
Poor application is the biggest cause of overheating and failure of the processor...
Follow the instructions to the letter...!

Paul... 8)...!

Note how small the chip is...and how hot it gets... Shocked

Shocked

...!

The process is carried out under almost clinical conditions...!!!

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Reply #2 - Jun 18^th, 2005 at 12:48pm

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Surely temps didn't go up because I changed the motherboard.

No, like Fozzer implies, the temps more than likely went up due to you either putting too little or, too much paste on your CPU.

I often have to remove & re-grease a CPU when I'm building a PC. Embarrassed

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Reply #3 - Jun 18^th, 2005 at 6:28pm

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Well, I was trying to avoid that Artic Silver I guess I should've order some when I got the new board.

The heatsink did have some paste on there and too be honest I'm affraid I'll start messing with that and make it worse than what it already is. Is that Artic Silver going to make then go down for sure?

I have an AMD XP Barton 3000+ 333FSB with a Dynatron 60mm cooler installed on a copper heatsink

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Reply #4 - Jun 18^th, 2005 at 8:22pm

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Selbio, you need to read up on heatsink installation before you fry your CPU.

Where were you when chipsets (motherboard choice)were discussed? Your board has an SIS chipset, onboard graphics and no dual channel ram support. Not exactly the "gamer's choice" is it?

It's a cute looking mobo, however Grin

Grin

and it has a cpu overheat protection system, you may as well use it!

This is an link to a review of that board, on this page it mentions an unusually hot motherboard chip as well.

http://www.ocworkbench.com/2004/asrock/k7s41/k7s41-7.htm

Be wary of SIS chipsets in future. I'm not saying they are "bad" for everything, but they are usually found on cheaper boards that are not outstanding performers. (SIS chipsets are generally cheap for mobo makers to buy.)

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Reply #5 - Jun 18^th, 2005 at 8:42pm

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I didn't even think about Nforce with dual channel until you mentioned it but let me tell you it runs flawless,

I can't tell any difference between this board and the Asus A7V8X-La that it replaced.

I know I was supposed to put some kind of paste on there before I reinstalled it but I didn't think it would be necessary since it had some there. I guess I'll be buying some of that Artic silver Ceramique or anything better if yall recommend it and see if that brting temps down. I thought about doing this before but I just didn't want to mess with the CPU.

What is the best Thermal Compound for this type of CPU?

What's the best CPU thermal compound for this type of CPU, and am I better off going back to the Asus custom made for Compaq board?

« Last Edit: Jun 18^th, 2005 at 10:19pm by Selbio »

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Reply #6 - Jun 19^th, 2005 at 5:33am

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When you look at the surface of the processor chip and the underside of the copper cooler, you may think that it's "SMOOTH"....
Well it isn't...!
It is covered in thousands of machine marks and pits, which under a microscope look like a battlefield...!
Now all the compound in these blemishes have first to be thoroughly cleaned out, preferably with a cleaning solution, applied with a clean tissue paper.
When they are thouroughly cleaned, this is then followed by an application of the thermal heat sink compound to the processor surface ONLY.
This MUST be applied as a VERY, VERY THIN coat covering the ENTIRE area of the processor chip, using a clean piece of tissue paper....NEVER YOUR FINGERS...which will be covered in oil and sweat...!!
DO NOT put a "blob" of compound on the processor!
When re-fitting the cooler back onto the chip, rotate it slightly to ensure a good contact, then re-fix the cooler clips securely.
All this has to be carried out with clinical perfection to obtain the best results in ensuring that the processor is kept safely cool...!
Take your time, and make a good job of it...!

Here endeth the first lesson... Wink

Wink

...!

Paul.... 8)....!

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Reply #7 - Jun 19^th, 2005 at 5:42am

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Never thought you had an Technical side Paul Grin

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Reply #8 - Jun 19^th, 2005 at 5:58am

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Never thought you had an Technical side Paul Grin

Grin

Tee-Hee...!

I'm a pretty good "all-rounder", Jim...!

Years of sorting things out... Wink

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...!

Cheers Mate...!

Paul.. Electrical/Mechanical Engineer (Retired)... 8)...!

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Reply #9 - Jun 19^th, 2005 at 6:03am

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Well at least you have accomplished far more than my father!. Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

....too lazy.... Grin

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Cheers an keep up the "fiddling" Grin

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Reply #10 - Jun 19^th, 2005 at 6:25am

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Well at least you have accomplished far more than my father!. Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

....too lazy.... Grin

Grin

..!

Wink

Cheers and keep up the "fiddling" Grin

Grin

Don't be too hard on your dear old Dad...!
..there's nothing I enjoy more, now that I'm retired, is a good-old bit of "laziness"....frequently... Wink

Wink

...

Grin

...!
Tee-Hee... Grin

Grin

...!

Paul...been there...done it...just restin' now.*.. Wink

Wink

...

Grin

...LOL...!

* ..and the occasional bit of "fiddling", now and again...just to keep Jordan happy... Wink

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LOL...!

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Reply #11 - Jun 19^th, 2005 at 8:01am

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I wondered how long it would take her to be mentioned.... Wink

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Reply #12 - Jun 19^th, 2005 at 11:25am

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When you look at the surface of the processor chip and the underside of the copper cooler, you may think that it's "SMOOTH"....
Well it isn't...!
It is covered in thousands of machine marks and pits, which under a microscope look like a battlefield...!
Now all the compound in these blemishes have first to be thoroughly cleaned out, preferably with a cleaning solution, applied with a clean tissue paper.
When they are thouroughly cleaned, this is then followed by an application of the thermal heat sink compound to the processor surface ONLY.
This MUST be applied as a VERY, VERY THIN coat covering the ENTIRE area of the processor chip, using a clean piece of tissue paper....NEVER YOUR FINGERS...which will be covered in oil and sweat...!!
DO NOT put a "blob" of compound on the processor!
When re-fitting the cooler back onto the chip, rotate it slightly to ensure a good contact, then re-fix the cooler clips securely.
All this has to be carried out with clinical perfection to obtain the best results in ensuring that the processor is kept safely cool...!
Take your time, and make a good job of it...!

Here endeth the first lesson... Wink

Wink

...!

Paul.... 8)....!

Paul,

What's the best Thermal Compound? I was trying to choose between Artic Silver 5 and Atic Silver Ceramique.

I'm glad you told me about the microscopic battlefiled thing otherwise I would've just wiped off the paste and put something else on there lol. but I'll follow you instructions.

Thanks a bunch.

Best Regards,&&Selby&&

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Reply #13 - Jun 19^th, 2005 at 12:32pm

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I wouldn't waste too much time arguing over manufacturers various types, just pop into your local computer retail/repair shop and buy whatever he recommends for you, and has in stock... Wink

Wink

...!
The care taken in its application is much more important...!

Paul... Wink

Wink

... 8)...!

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Reply #14 - Jun 19^th, 2005 at 3:57pm

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I wouldn't waste too much time arguing over manufacturers various types, just pop into your local computer retail/repair shop and buy whatever he recommends for you, and has in stock... Wink

Wink

...!
The care taken in its application is much more important...!

Paul... Wink

Wink

... 8)...!

True, but make no mistake, a brand such as "Arctic Silver" will be far more efficient at heat transfer, if applied correctly, than some unknown/ unbranded "cpu paste" from Bobs PC Bits......

£8 on a tube of quality paste is a worthy investment, especially if its protecting a £100+ Processor.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Thermal_Materials_27.htm... Wink

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