I've had CFS3 for some time now and I really never play it , I really don't find anything spectacular about it

1-Graphics suck (no its not my comp)
2-Exterior models are ridicoulosly badly done
3-Cockpits are revolting
4-Are those runways or grey polygons?
5-Those ground textures 

Is this game really any good ???
Let me know what you think

if you think so anyway i'd rather play LOMAC or something, but CFS3 ???

If you've been blinded by Ubi then there is no hope for you as far as CFS3 is concerned. Best to leave it alone or otherwise this will turn into 20 pages of argument and counter argumen.

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Then go back a few pages in the forum and read them. Don't get them posted again.

Wake me up when something interesting is happening.   

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I'd think it would be the other the way round would'nt it......

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Good plan going to school. 

They will teach you that the primary word in your statement was LOMAC.  The use of 'OR' causes 'something' being an after thought & therefore a secondary choice.   

BEAR

Now if I were you, i'd take my advice and drop the topic. Cause this is nothing compared to the hammering you'd get if you carry on.

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Not the worse of things, some still try to convince their wifes to do the same.......

There is always an argument:

Myself, I own IL-2 Series, have CFS3, don't like it.

You guys own CFS3 and probably do not like IL2.

I could list why I don't like CFS3, then it would start a flame war, something that I WILL NOT start  8)

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nice to know someone agrees with me

What is the point of this thread?

Regards,
Stratobat

Isn't that what i've been saying all along?

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Wrong argument : there are many issues with cfs3 online that makes FB a better choice for the online players.  But there is an in built anti cheat system that requires you to have exactly the same plane than your opponents.
Try this : modify a stock plane's XDP (increase the speed for example), delete the bdp (it will be rebuilt when the sim starts) and try to join a game. You'll get a mismatch.

Other than that, I agree with almost everybody : pointless thread, subject beaten to death. Use the search button if you're looking for the arguments of either side.

Good lad.

Honestly..... what can you expect from a combat flight sim? Eye candy?...... ugh obviously it would kill the graphics cards with explosions going off and tracers everywhere and high up to and back manuvers....  so you deal with what you have.... CFS3 is fun, graphics are like FS9 you cant always max FS9 can ya? exactly.... this topic has been thrown about so many times its pointless these days...... So drop it and save your bloody hands from all the typing, Cheers, Gunny

cfs3 is the only sim I have currently, and the first I have really played in about 10 years. My earliest flight sim experience was "Night Gunner" on the ZX81, and since then I've played many and varied. There was even one for the Sinclair QL, red backgrounds and black outline scenery. Contrast that with what CFS3 can achieve, coupled with one of the few flight sims which tries to give you a sense of the insane futility of flying towards the ground at 400mph in a tin coffin, directly into the line of fire of the massed AA defenses of your opponents. Read some of the accounts of the tactical air war, Pierre Clostermann for example, and then set the AAA setting on CFS3 to max and give it a go yourself.
I have certainly seen some of the multiplayer issues described, but nothing is perfect, and with some of the AVHistory freeware it can be a hell of a lot better. Zuyax's textures and repaint's are phenomenal, I'm just waiting on a mossie.

I'm planning to get fs2004 for the better graphics and multiplayer, but I will still go back to cfs3 for the uncertainty of going in on a mission and not knowing if I will be left on the deck with no controls, no engine, and no hope of gaining enough altitude to bail, it's find a road or die time.

its the blurry ground and the MP i hate 

otherwise i can live with it

http://www.avhistory.org/movies/mth.avi

Meanwhile the B-17G-80 Molly II AvHistory V-4.00.25 takes another test hop.

BEAR

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The current version of Molly has been posted to MAW's data base so that the a custom MAW paint job can be developed for its inclusion in that add-on.

Additional B-17 variants E & F will be released in both MAW & AvHistory versions.

The AvHistory versions will also be re-paintable with permission.

The most important thing to remember about MAW is we are just a small part of a very lagre group of teams all working on different portions of the add-on.

With the standardization of our development system at 4.00.25 we have begun to convert the MAW specific planes. Its a one plane at a time deal but we should be able to move pretty quickly.

I do not know if AvHistory or one of the other MAW teams is the critical path at this time so I really can't say when it will get released.  

I can say this...the version of MAW I use in testing our flight packages is very well developed & fully playable which suggests the other teams are also making excellent progress.

In the meantime here are a few MAW planes we are working flight packages up for you may not have seen before.









BEAR

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Its an extra effect, I believe FOX created it but am not positive. There are also contrails available.



The Shark's mouth aircraft is a RAF Tomahawk IIA (Model H81-A2) version of the P-40B.  

The Shark's mouth is most associated with the Flying Tigers on their P-40's but the AVG actually copied the idea from RAF No. 112 Squadron.

The first Desert Air Force squadron to be equipped with Tomahawks was No. 112 which exchanged its Gloster Gladiators (also in MAW) for the Curtiss fighter.  No. 112 Squadron became famous for its "shark's mouth" insignia on the engine cowling, and this scheme was later adopted by the American Volunteer Group in China.

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 Zuyax also created the entirely new Spifire visual, they are not stock repaints & we have quite a few more versions in our backlog.

BEAR

They should be avaliable on this site.

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/forumdisplay.php?f=7

Best either ask in the forum or look in the resources section.  They may be standalone or packaged with other "effects" as a single download - its been a long time & I can't remember.

BEAR

Advertise Moi? 

If I wanted to advertise my signature would look like this.

BEAR - AvHistory
http://www.avhistory.org
http://www.medairwar.com

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I guess as long as everyone eventually likes what they're playing, I like lock-on and FS9 and someone else like CFS3, as long as I don't need to play CFS3 I can't complain, I started this topic to find some answers not to argue with anyone, so as far as I'm concerned this topic is closed
hope no one is offended
cheers

Antei 8)

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Yeah, there is always somebody who dosen't get the word 

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OK 

B-17G's from MAW

Okay, this subject is getting huge, but it's only fair if this goes further . Antei, maybe it's all those jets around your sig and pic that has given James this idea. Was it, James? ???

Look, the only things that suck about it are:

    You need more than a Pentium !!! (3) with graphics accelerator card to stop it st-st-stuttering.

    Look behind you in the cockpit and this copy of the front cockpit comes up. I haven't got a clue what was in the CFS3 team's heads when someone put this feature in Stupidity...

    The enemy is always superior when you fly the campaign. If you're US the Germans invade Britain so easily. But when I then play as Germany the British invade France at almost the start. That is so stupid!

    You can seldom ever launch a ground offensive for more than a day, as the days of offensive bar only goes up to 1 and sometimes 2. More stupidity!

I hope Microsoft have made an update/fix for some of the campaign problems. I don't know that they are 'bugs' but just dumb problems put there for some d mn reason.

If those reasons didn't exist then CFS3 would be much closer to perfect than any other sim in the world. I don't think anyone could make a 100% perfect one though

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Bear, I think you should have the right to advertise all you want. I would object to advertising software/payware, well in this forum at least... Unless someone is just notifying others about some payware/donationware addon. There is a difference.

Go Bear!

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It's look down. The hat switch views are (clockwise) look up, look fwd right,look right, look rear right, look down (at the instrument panel), look rear left, look left, look fwd left.

A pilot can't look straight back, he's strapped into his seat, he can only look over his shoulders. Some planes have a lousy rear view in CFS3, the tempest in particular.

If you don't like it then hit F3 and take the VC away. As I remember that suddenly gives your pilot x-ray eyes and an exorcist neck.

And FWIW, go for it Bear, plug away, I'm trying to do my bit

Antei I never meant in what I wrote in my previous post as a personal insult.  My intention was to point out what you wrote in a post remarking that you only flew thru the Lock on and F9 program.

Those are not World war two Simulators. In that case why in the world did bring that dry out subjest back to life. That was my question?

In became obvious to that do not care for World war two Aviation. So what was your pupose to bring this subject back when in reality its been argue in to many post before.

You now darn well that no one that loves this Simulator will ever agree with you. So why bring a nonproductive subject back to life. Thats a waste of valuable time if you ask me.

Lets move on to  better and more enriching subjects. Lets improve and help each other thru all the our different programs so we can enjoy this Noble hobby to its highest quality ever.

Thank you

James007

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Those who are not interested in this whole topic/conversation don't have to participate in it you know, I just want to make that clear, and one more things James, if I wasn't interested in World War 2 sims then why the heck did I buy CFS3, I want to make clear that I don't have antything against World War 2 sims, I was just gravely dissapointed by CFS3, sure I have played other World War 2 sims and I have enjoyed them, I do prefer to play sims such as LOMAC or FS9 but that does not mean that I don't enjoy World War 2 sims
Antei

......before you do though, just bear in mind, it's a great game

...not locked yet.


Hmmm, Spits escorting Flying Forts at dusk?  Must be the end of the mission.

That B-17 is too small, the Spit looks huge against it.

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Not to worry Mathias, the guy has problems because they can only look at the B-17 in Il2/PF.  

BEAR - AvHistory

this thing still going......

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Well said

  It's starting to feel like a fight between children...

  They're both good sims, each with their pros and cons, neither is perfect, or better than the other, just one may be better out of the box, and the other may be modded until the point it is amazing. 

  So enough of the "Mine is bigger than yours./My dad could beat up your dad!" arguement.

I know, I know.  I'm not bitching, i'm just saying. 

Sorry, but while it used to be a fun arguement, it's now getting kind of stupid, because we're going over the same stuff and whatnot.

Never was a fun argument, each person likes his own sim(s):

1.) IL-2 merge
2.) FS2004
3.) BoBII

Someones going to mention me, I know it, Avhistory.

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Ah, Bear, Kinder and Gentler remember? 

Although at the same time this whole new angle to the thread (which was started by my picture of Molly) has kind of put me in mind of the episode of Father Ted where Ted is explaining perspective to Dougal with the aid of a small plastic cow:

"this cow is small, and those cows are far away. Small.......far away."

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I think perspective has been explained already SeaNorris.........(Small......far away)

At the same time, just for your benefit, here is the exact same shot from the other side, bit more jaggy, i spent less time on it. For the record, fish eye, perspective, whatever, I was far closer than I should have been as I specifically wanted to get both planes in shot together. The spit was always the centre of the image for CFS3 and I rotated the view around. I think the effect is spiffing.....


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James007, not really, I'm just prepared to suffer truly awful frame rates for shots this good. I'm sure a better spec PC could do better. I have a GeForce MX 440 or something similar, it's a couple of years old now. However when I turn things down it still looks good, and flys well enough for me, maybe my expectations are still set at the ZX81 or even Atari ST level (MirrorSoft's F16 Flying Falcon! Top stuff!)

Finally Bear, love the Troll! 

Please please tell me you took that pic especially and that he's a little guy sitting on your desk? That would make me so happy.....

Stay Happy guys

Well, just to go on posting images...
here is a good reason, IMHO, to fly with CFS3...

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We've already established that the spit was nearer to the camera than the b-17. Therefore the spit will look big. What point are you trying to make?

Do you think the designer mixed up metric and imperial?......that's centimetres and inches for all you pre-GCSE kids.

Not yet Bear, got any pics?

We'll get the Mods to lock this yet, once we get above a gig of images in a single thread

BTW did you see that VSH and I won the July Screenshot contest? Think Zuyax would be pleased? It's all down to his hard work at the end of the day.

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Congrats on winning the contest, will pass the word along to Josh. 

Still WIP & both will come is a few different flavors.  Iron Annie will be in cargo, Para-troop & med-evac versions.

Forgot to add that in addition to just about all the RAF bombers, the Fairy Battle is in the paint shop, a lot of new Italian aircraft are in the mix which may be added to those already released.


Piaggio 108 heavy bomber, The Italian B-17C.   Notice the twin .50 remote controlled turrets in the out-board engine nacelles.


Cant Z-506B Floatplane

Cant Z-1007bis

Also some CR-32's & CR-42's to duke it out with Gladiators over Albania/Greece.

BTW I have installed a Track IR3-Pro with the 6DOF Vector pack and its absolutly amazing what it does for your SA.

This game really sucks.

BEAR - AvHistory

Not if it means more free sneak preview of what's to come for MAW 

Bear, that is a lovely Wellington. As I'm making a Nachtjager campaign for CFS2, that bomber would make a great target in my campaign if AvHistory is going to convert it to [u]CFS2[u] (revenge for plugging CFS3, bwa ha ha ha ha! (lol )). Are they going to....?

Thanks,

Bombardier

Locked by Kevin.   Great pics guys, and Bear, the planes are looking great.  OTU, wonderful shots!