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Pre 1980's biz jets and reduced vertical (Read 239 times)
Apr 9th, 2005 at 9:44pm

Gary R.   Offline
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I am aware that before long there is going to be reduced vertical separation minimums and that planes that aren't equipped a certain way are going to be limited to FL 250 or under.  Now, short of a complete avionics upgrade, what kind of modifications would be made to a pre-1980's (pre FMC) biz jet to enable it to comply with the reduced vertical separation standards?  I'm refering to planes like early lears, jetstar 2's, falcon 50's etc. of which many are still flying.  What model of GPS recievers are authorized for older biz jets? etc.
 

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Reply #1 - Apr 11th, 2005 at 9:21pm

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www.rvsm.com

That might help you out a little.
 
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Reply #2 - Apr 12th, 2005 at 12:52am

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Welp........coupla things here......

290 is the bottom of RVSM airspace and RVSM have already been in affect in the CONUS since January 20, 0901UTC. The latest B/CA estimates indicate that a majority of the corporate aircraft in the US have already been modified and certified.

Most modern jets that were built in the last 30 years can comply with FAA/CFR 91-RVSM with less than $200,000usd worth of modifications.
I can't speak for the Falcon or the Jetstar(why would you want to prolong the life of a Jester anyway?) but we spent nearly half a million on our Lear 35. Our case is an extreme example(my boss went for all of the bells and whistles)and if you just want to equip for compliance, a Lear 35 can be done for as little as $75,000usd. The FC-200 autopilot is perfectly capable of maintaining the +/-65feet required under the regs when the airplane is equipped with a Rosemont pitot system. After that the only other big money item would be a new altimeter with an ADC.

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Now, short of a complete avionics upgrade, what kind of modifications would be made to a pre-1980's (pre FMC) biz jet to enable it to comply with the reduced vertical separation standards? What model of GPS recievers are authorized for older biz jets? etc.
I think you're misunderstanding the requirements or have been misinformed. You don't need an FMC or a GPS to fly in RVSM airspace. What you do need is more sensitive altitude sensing and reporting equipment:
-a cross coupled pitot/static system
-an ADC
-Mode C Xponder, capable of providing a digitally coded signal corresponding to the displayed PA
-altitude alerter
-A/P capable of maintaining +/- 65 feet in still air

Now, I haven't seen any airplanes certified without a GPS but I do know of two Lear 35's that only use a KLN90(course guidance only, no pretty picture)and have no FMS.
« Last Edit: Apr 12th, 2005 at 2:53am by OTTOL »  

.....so I loaded up the plane and moved to Middle-EEEE..........OIL..that is......
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Reply #3 - Apr 15th, 2005 at 11:19pm

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Okay.  Thanks for the info. I am much better educated on it now.  I haven't taken the time to read the FAR on RVSM probably because it won't apply to me anyway.  I can believe there is a Lear 35 running a KLN-90. I have seen pictures in airliners.net of a Jetstar 2 with a KLN-90.  Prior to that I would have been suprised that a KLN-90 would be approved by the FAA for operation in a jet.  I will indeed take the time to read more equipment approvals.  I sort of remember hearing about an apollo MX-20 model approved for use in turbine aircraft. I know its just an MFD.  I was really supprised once to have seen pics of a Constellation panel with a Garmin 530 in place in airliners.net.  I think Falcon-50's however were equipped with a single Litton-92 which was darn near as good as a real FMS I hear.  
 

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