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Mar 24^th, 2005 at 8:24pm

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A P4 3.4 with 1 GB and a Radeon 9800 Pro 128mb, or a P4 3.4 with 2GB and a Radeon 9800 Pro 256mb?

Of the two setups, which do you think would offer better performance?

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Reply #1 - Mar 24^th, 2005 at 8:37pm

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Lets see 9800 Pro 256 and 1 gig ram, 2 gigs is wastin money...

If it were me id go the 6600GT or 6800GT my 2 cents....

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Reply #2 - Mar 24^th, 2005 at 8:55pm

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That's what I thought. Thanks!

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Reply #3 - Mar 24^th, 2005 at 9:04pm

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Well lets know when you are ordering it and ask questions you have when building(if you have any Grin

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Can't wait to see how it goes but one last urge for the 64 bit PCI-E Wink

You know im not gonna let 64 Bit and PCI-E out of your eyes untill you are on it flyin!

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Reply #4 - Mar 24^th, 2005 at 10:30pm

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A P4 3.4 with 1 GB and a Radeon 9800 Pro 128mb, or a P4 3.4 with 2GB and a Radeon 9800 Pro 256mb?

Of the two setups, which do you think would offer better performance?

Performence wise, 2 gigs is always better (as long as the memory is the same).

But for the average user, is 2 gigs really necessary...NO.

Here's my recommendations though:
ditch the intel as you probably don't do encoding.

Get an amd, get a 6600 gt and 1 gig of ddr400 mem and your good to go.

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Reply #5 - Mar 24^th, 2005 at 10:58pm

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He says he does Video editing, but I really beg of him to get at least a 64bit cpu, I think he should do AMD to especcially with Venice commin here who knows it might whoop Intel.
Like I said above im gonna keep telling you because I know its your money and I may sound pushy to get what I am telling you but ther are at least 3 guys here that agree I am afraid you will be very very pissed at yourself in the end because you didnt get something that has good upgrade potential. They are really pushing PCI-E now and I have never seen a conversion go so fast but I would bet the farm any new gen cards are going to be scarce findings in the AGP department.

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Reply #6 - Mar 24^th, 2005 at 11:01pm

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If he does video encoding I encoruage him to get an intel then.

The intel 640 should be perfect for you. It has 64-bit support as well as all the other kinks AMD gives you (like NX excute bit and speedstep tech).

I still recommend a 6600 gt, thought you may want to get ddr2 ram instead.

As for venice, don't worry about it. If you do upgrade to that, you'll probably want a new mobo that can handle the higher fsb that cpu will have.

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Reply #7 - Mar 24^th, 2005 at 11:15pm

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Yeah, true autopilot, but they may be at the same FSB as 95% of current motherboards will support it. But yeah id say the 640 and 6600GT why the GT well it will get better bang for your buck right off the starting block and will OC and SoftMod to 6800 speeds quite easy... BTW what Vcore is your CPU at right now Autopilot? Someones tryin to hit 2900 on 1.5 same CPU as you on air...

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Reply #8 - Mar 24^th, 2005 at 11:21pm

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http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=tweek;action=display;num=1...

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Reply #9 - Mar 24^th, 2005 at 11:43pm

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Ahh thanks seems like some good voltages there for that clock... what is the reason for running at a lower Multi? Have you tried 3.5 on a higher vcore?
I really want a phase change now Shocked

, wish they would go down in price tho. Do you have that video cards on water? Sorry for all the Qs but not every day do you see a system like yours Cheesy

Oh you have that Lian case oc course your on water Tongue

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Reply #10 - Mar 24^th, 2005 at 11:52pm

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No problem.

I have tried 3.5, but its too unstable. that and I'm satisfied with this overclock, I have pushed it to its limits without crashing. If I disregard crashing and count POST screen only, then I could go up much higher.

My cards are water cooled of course. I actually have two pumps, with one serving each card, drawing from a big main reservoir. I use peltiers to cool the water in the reservoir.

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Reply #11 - Mar 25^th, 2005 at 12:09am

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Wow, yeah 3.45 is pretty damn fast and 1 grand a big sum to pay if you ush it to hard and kill something. Are your video cards overclocked any?

Unfortunatly for me when I got this system I didnt know the definision of OC so I got a board without a PCI/AGP lock so my max stable OC is 2.35 Sad

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Not comparible to yours but I wish I had a better motherboard, and it might get to 2.5-2.6, when I didnt know about PCI/AGP lock I had it up to 2.4 at 1.86 Vcore before I stoped, did not want to blow anything.

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Reply #12 - Mar 25^th, 2005 at 12:13am

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Yeah, my vids are overclocked, but not by much. Main reason is that even my fx-55 can't keep up with the data the gpu's can process, so i have no reason to o/c them at all actual.

I bet when I get an fx57 and put it in, my 3dmark score will jump enormously due to it being able to handle more data.

BTW, for your setup, thats a decent overclock. Yeah, the AGP lock will limit you.

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Reply #13 - Mar 25^th, 2005 at 12:27am

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Thats true, but 2.3 is quite whimpy, 3dmark01 is 20k at 2.2, I hope that improves when I get rid of this old PC-2100 that I somehow borked and now its running at PC-1600 Embarrassed

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Reply #14 - Mar 25^th, 2005 at 8:07am

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Gunner...I'll make a deal with you dude. lol

If you can find me a setup that lets me run the specs you suggest, I'll look at it.

I've had a hard time finding much that lets me run PCIe. I'm not totally opposed to the idea, but my noob-ness really limits where I search.

I've looked around, and I have seen a little bit, but nothing that really jumped out at me.

So if you can find it, I'll look at it. Deal?

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