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Reply #15 - Mar 22nd, 2005 at 8:47am

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after reading my last post I seem to come over a little big headed and unappreciative of your guide, I thought id just say that this isnt the case and that I do appreciate your guide, guides/tutorials like that really are invaluable to begginers or generally anyone in the FS world.
 

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Reply #16 - Mar 22nd, 2005 at 8:59am
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Hey! Thats great nav! Wonderful work! Smiley
I'm sure new-comers will appreciate this!! Smiley
 
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Reply #17 - Mar 22nd, 2005 at 9:21am

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Cheers R/C Ben!  Smiley

Apologies are due from me, willg - I'd got the impression from our conversations on landings on other threads that you were a bit 'newer' than that.  Smiley

I really wouldn't be too bothered about landing exactly on the centre-line - anywhere (on the runway) suits me!  And as the mistake in the tute shows, a gentle bank, giving the aeroplane time to respond, will usually get you out of trouble anyway.

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i could do with some help on jet take off, as i always seem to get the nose up with the plane now climbing at all, jsut flying along the ground with the nose up for ages.


The answer is 'the need for speed'.  You're just getting the nose too high too early, before the aeroplane has the airspeed/wing lift to climb, so it's using all the available power just to stay in the air; what they used to call 'hanging on the prop'.

Watch the VSI and the ASI; keep straight, and keep the angle of climb at no more than say 15 degrees, until the speed reaches at least 180-200, the gear is retracted, and you've reduced to one notch of flap. After that she'll go up like a lift!  Smiley
 
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Reply #18 - Mar 22nd, 2005 at 10:25am

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That's what I need so desperately severla months ago! Cry Well it will sure benefit others and I learnt one thing which I thought I was nuts on and that is I come in too low.

Just one thing though -  I am surprised you didn't have auto-break on.

Great job and I'm sure that will be useful for many. 8)
 

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Reply #19 - Mar 22nd, 2005 at 11:37am

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Just one thing though -  I am surprised you didn't have auto-break on.


Is that where the air-stewardesses automatically come to the cockpit with refreshments? Or do you mean auto-brake? Wink he he

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Reply #20 - Mar 22nd, 2005 at 1:14pm

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ya Nav i know all that, its common sense, ive taken off at 200 knots before just to see if would go up any better but it still just keeps movin along the ground with the nose up

i normally rotate at 160 knots, with a small amount of trim and flaps at one notch.
 

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Reply #21 - Mar 22nd, 2005 at 1:26pm

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Is that where the air-stewardesses automatically come to the cockpit with refreshments? Or do you mean auto-brake? Wink he he

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Of course! He needs something to give him the energy to pull the brake levers! Wink Grin
Unless it is of course an autopilot for crashing.... Shocked mind you I don't think most of us need an auto-feature to do that. Wink
 

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Reply #22 - Mar 22nd, 2005 at 3:07pm

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by the way ive sorted my taking off problem now, i made the rather nooby error of accidentally hitting / without realising  Embarrassed
 

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Reply #23 - Mar 22nd, 2005 at 11:18pm

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Hi Saitek!

Didn't cover auto-brake because I have to admit that I've only used it a couple of times, and find that it's a unnecessary hassle.

I'm happy enough just using '/' for spoilers, 'F2' for reverse thrust, and the joystick trigger for brakes - even on short runways.  Less 'sorting out' to do later when you're down to taxiing speed.

Besides - I had to stop somewhere!  Smiley
 
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Reply #24 - Mar 22nd, 2005 at 11:24pm

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willg, flap (or the lack of it) is your problem then.

Not 'one notch' for takeoff - 5 degrees. Three notches on the 737, two notches on the 747 and Triple Seven.

Please do yourself a favour - go to the Learning Centre Index, click on 'B' for Boeing, and look up the Flight Notes for any aeroplane you are planning to fly. All the settings and speeds are in there, for 'Takeoff', 'Climb', 'Cruise' etc. Save you a lot of time - at the moment you seem always to be 'learning the hard way'.
 
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Reply #25 - Mar 23rd, 2005 at 2:29am

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........at the moment you seem always to be 'learning the hard way'.


......lol.....good point, but one of the BIG problems Nav, IMHO, is that most simmers, old and new, think that going into the Learning Centre IS doing it the hard way.......hard to know how to change that attitude....commoner Wink
 

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Reply #26 - Mar 28th, 2005 at 4:58am

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I've revised this to explain the initial phase of lining up with the localiser, which still seems to attract a lot of 'Help!' threads.  Smiley

Also redone the screenshots to make them clearer - the first lot had got thoroughly 'chewed up' - and added a few more tips.

Any feedback on things that still aren't clear, or other FS subjects that people would like me to try to cover, would be welcome.
 
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Reply #27 - Mar 28th, 2005 at 5:34am

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its okay I fully understand approaches now, thanks Nav and everyone else who's helped me  Smiley Smiley

I've made a little diagram about ILS approaches too.

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Reply #28 - Mar 28th, 2005 at 9:55am

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That diagram is GREAT, willg. Guess that, now you've started drawing things out and writing them down, you're a fellow addict now.  Smiley You'll be READING stuff next...  Smiley

There's an old flying school joke you may not have encountered yet. Someone will ask you why they make you read an eye-chart before they give you a licence. You'll say, of course, that it's because they need to be sure that you can see clearly, for 'safety', like.

"Not so," they'll say. "It's 'cos they want to be sure that you can read all the laws and regulations and prohibitions and 'pilot's notes' and complicated approach charts they're going to throw at you by the truckload for the rest of your natural bloody life........"

Glad I thought of trying screenies - judging by the number of views this thread is getting, they seem to work a bit. It's often quite difficult to explain to people how to fly, just in words.

Imagine that you were trying to write down instructions on how to ride a bike - including how to turn. And then someone writes back and says, "I think I understand. But about turning - do I move the handlebars first, or lean over first?"

Good for you, anyway, glad you're getting it taped. The next step is to turn off the auto-controls earlier and earlier, until you can fly the whole approach VFR. Then you can go anywhere, whether or not the airports have ILS.  
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Reply #29 - May 6th, 2005 at 11:31am

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Wow this stuff is Great!  8)
nice job Nav Smiley
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