Ok, I know, I should've done the research on my own, but I have this french proj and.... oh, forget it.

I'm looking for a nice joystick set that also includes a twist handle. I am definitely hardcore enough to get rudder pedals, but I have "normal" friends that come over a lot and I don't want to have to explain it to them (and then subsequently take crap for it ).

The saiteks all sound nice but it's not clear whether or not they include twist handles. Also, I'm kind of anal about thrust slider-I don't use sidewinders because of the flimsy throttle flippy thing they come with, I prefer the type found on logitech models.

Once again, I apologize (as a forum regular, I am aware of how agitating it is when a question is asked three bazillion times)-but I figured since I had a specific requirements I'd go right on ahead and be lazy

btw, the sudden interest (after years of logitech ****) is because I think I'm gonna ask for LOMAC for my birthday. I generally avoid hand-flying aircraft b/c I can't increase the center spring strength in my wingman (yes, I've done it the way you're supposed to-it doesn't retain the settings), and I figure I really need to get over it.

Thanks in advance

Never mind just re-read your thread and u dont want a sidewinder 

Stiz

Well the Saitek should suit you well then.  It does have a harder spring than the Sidewinders and also has a lot more resistance on the throttle too, well on my Saitek Cyborg Evo it does!

Best bet is go to a PC store and have a tryout.  I did this down my local PC world then came home and ordered it online.