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Feb 9th, 2005 at 6:18pm

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What are your views on Styx's version of the Beatles Hit?
 
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Reply #1 - Feb 9th, 2005 at 10:59pm

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First of all, its my opinion that Styx is the worst band ever to record a track.  Everytime I hear one of their songs I cringe and its stuck in my head and I hate it.   So I don't think they did the song justice.  Just my opinion though.  Roll Eyes
 
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Reply #2 - Feb 10th, 2005 at 5:24am
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Where's 'I don't give a damn'?
 
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Reply #3 - Feb 10th, 2005 at 4:46pm

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No where near as awesomely cool as the Beatle's version.
 
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Reply #4 - Feb 10th, 2005 at 6:12pm

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There are some bands who's songs should not be redone by another band. The Beatles are one. Pink Floyd are another.
 

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Reply #5 - Feb 11th, 2005 at 5:09pm

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There are some bands who's songs should not be redone by another band. The Beatles are one. Pink Floyd are another.

I wish I had a gun for every band that has reproduced a Beatles or Pink floyd song.  I heared one band singing another brick in the wall on the radio.  It sucked ass and it was odvious that they didn't get it
 

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Reply #6 - Feb 11th, 2005 at 6:51pm

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Well I don't suppose the composers object very strongly. I have to agree on Pink Floyd as their stuff is very personal & I doubt anyone else could do it justice. But as for the Beatles, they were songwriters & wrote songs specifically for other artists as well as themselves. These people aren't some sort of gods just because they happened to be popular & made a few hit records. I remember some years ago Paul McCartney proudly saying that over 100 different artists (including Frank Sinatra & Mantovani) had recorded Yesterday. It's probably a lot more than that now. This is the dream of any real songwriter & means they've been accepted. I've said before & I still believe it, there's far too much inverted snobbery about pop music & this seems worse now than I ever remember. In the end it's just another form of entertainment. Don't take this stuff so seriously. Wink

PS. Before someone takes offence I use the term "pop music" in its original context - popular music. That's all it is.

PPS. If you don't like it nobody forces you to listen to it.
 

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Reply #7 - Feb 12th, 2005 at 1:20pm

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Well I don't suppose the composers object very strongly. I have to agree on Pink Floyd as their stuff is very personal & I doubt anyone else could do it justice. But as for the Beatles, they were songwriters & wrote songs specifically for other artists as well as themselves. These people aren't some sort of gods just because they happened to be popular & made a few hit records. I remember some years ago Paul McCartney proudly saying that over 100 different artists (including Frank Sinatra & Mantovani) had recorded Yesterday. It's probably a lot more than that now. This is the dream of any real songwriter & means they've been accepted. I've said before & I still believe it, there's far too much inverted snobbery about pop music & this seems worse now than I ever remember. In the end it's just another form of entertainment. Don't take this stuff so seriously. Wink


There is a difference between rerecording a song by another band and producing a song written by another band. With the Beatles, what they wrote and recorded themselves was usually done in a way that's impossible to better.

As for Pink Floyd, I've heard "Wish You Were Here" with a rap in the middle which ruined it completely and "Comfortably Numb" to what sounded like the tune of "Staying Alive" and for that I curse the Scissor Sistors.
 

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Reply #8 - Feb 12th, 2005 at 2:00pm

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If the truth be known I very much doubt that any of those 60s artists you hold in such high regard expected their music to last for a year at the most. They would have been very surprised & probably delighted to think that it would be popular with young people 40 years later. I reckon anything that helps introduce others to music of any description is no bad thing.

As for Ruptured Duck's remark that "they didn't get it", are you sure that you get it? People put their own interpretations on songs (& art in general) that usually turn out to be completely wrong. In one example the words of the Eagles' "Hotel California" were associated with the political situation in Greece & it became very popular in that country because of it. In fact the Eagles had never visited Greece & knew nothing of the political situation there.

PS. If I recall correctly "I Am The Walrus" was written during the Beatles LSD period. It sounds like a typical John Lennon song but I doubt that even he could have told you what it was all about. Roll Eyes
 

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Reply #9 - Feb 12th, 2005 at 3:46pm

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As a matter of interest I just found out the kids from Islington Green School that sang on Pink Floyd's "Another Brick in the Wall" are suing for royalties. http://www.contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/mndwebpages/pink%20floyd%20kids%20su...

By coincidence they just played the record on BBC Radio 2 & the DJ mentioned it.
 

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Reply #10 - Feb 13th, 2005 at 5:43pm

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As a matter of interest I just found out the kids from Islington Green School that sang on Pink Floyd's "Another Brick in the Wall" are suing for royalties. http://www.contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/mndwebpages/pink%20floyd%20kids%20su...

By coincidence they just played the record on BBC Radio 2 & the DJ mentioned it.

thats pitiful, sueing for $350 dollars each.  Seems like It wouldn't be worth it.  But who am I to judge?  I would take that money in a heartbeat
 

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Reply #11 - Feb 14th, 2005 at 7:21am

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Probably the session rate + interest. I'm surprised it was that much. I remember the session drummer* on "A Whiter Shade of Pale", which became one of the biggest hits in the 60s saying he got £25 for it. He reckoned this wasn't bad at all as it was regular work without any hassle. If he did 5 sessions per day it wasn't bad money. Besides that the records weren't guaranteed to be a hit so in most cases he was better off than the musicians in the groups.

*PS. Apparently Bill Eyden although I always thought it was Kenny Clare. Procul Harum was a studio band when the hit recording was made & the group was formed afterwards to go out on tour. This wan't uncommon so the musicians you saw on stage were probably not the ones on the recordings. Not many drummers, even famous names in the well-known established groups, played on the recordings, mainly to save expensive studio time. A lot of those 60s hit records feature the same drummers & other session musicians. One of the top session guitarists, Big Jim Sullivan, still lives locally & often performs in the local pubs. He sometimes jams with another local musician, Herbie Flowers who played bass on many of them. Clem Cattini, ex Johnny Kidd & the Pirates (Shakin' All Over) & the Tornados (Telstar), probably played on more British hit records in the 60s than any other drummer.
 

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Reply #12 - Feb 14th, 2005 at 5:54pm

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Topic: I am the Walrus 
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Wouldn't surprise me if at least one of 'em played on that too. Wink
 

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Reply #14 - Feb 14th, 2005 at 11:06pm

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I do not claim to be the Walrus
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Reply #15 - Mar 25th, 2005 at 12:50am

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Agreed Woodlouse, some bands have songs that can and should only be performed by that band, The Beatles has that disinct to it thats why they were and are a huge hit, most redone songs I hear of anything sound bad and ripped off to me quite frankly
 

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Reply #16 - Mar 25th, 2005 at 2:59pm

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Well...  I don't believe you shouldn't be allowed to cover a Beatles tune.  I've heard my share of bad ones but they are all by those big name bands, Aerosmith when they did "Come Together" and Styx doing "I am the Walrus" just as a couple examples.  Come to think of it, Deep Purple's rendition of "Help!" wasn't to good....  But anyway, most of the covers I've heard by lesser known bands (so lesser known that I can't remember their names) are good.  Most of them are of The Beatles' pop era songs and these covers sound less pop, and less produced.  I still really really hate Styx, and anything they do, even covering a Beatles tune, is crap.  Come sail away my a$$!
 
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Reply #17 - Mar 26th, 2005 at 2:22pm

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I wish I had a gun for every band that has reproduced a Beatles or Pink floyd song.  I heared one band singing another brick in the wall on the radio.  It sucked ass and it was obvious that they didn't get it

This could be Korn, if it was then you're right,
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Reply #18 - Mar 26th, 2005 at 4:49pm

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Actually it was prob the Scissor Sister's they truly screwed up that song but I still think their camp elton john style boogie is pretty cool.
 
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Reply #19 - Mar 26th, 2005 at 6:37pm

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Oh, the Scissor Sisters did a cover too?

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Reply #20 - Mar 28th, 2005 at 5:40pm

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The Scissor Sistors covered Comfortably Numb. When I first heard it I thought I was listening to the BeeGees singing Stayin' Alive. It's awful. Tongue Embarrassed
 

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Reply #21 - Mar 28th, 2005 at 6:41pm

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I can't say I've ever heard the Scissor Sisters although I probably have without realising it. My first reaction was that it's a very strange name for a group, especially as they all seem to be blokes. At least I assume they're male as it can be difficult to tell these days. Maybe it's not so strange after all when you think of Alice Cooper who is definitely male. Maybe I'm showing my age but what disturbs me is the popularity of groups that seem to be promoting homosexuality to a young audience. I suppose this has been going on for some time now but most of the musicians I admired when I was young were definitely heterosexual & their songs reflected this.

I don't expect they're bothered too much what I or anyone else thinks of their music, they seem to be doing fine thank you very much. From what I can make out their "covers" are intended as tongue-in-cheek so it's possible you're taking all this too seriously & missing the point. Roll Eyes
 

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It's always been for shock value, to get the kiddies to think that their parents would disapprove of whatever group or song it was, thus rendering it "cool", which translates into "cha-ching!!"After all, the long-haired look and sort of foppish manner of the Stones, Beatles, etc. was at one time considered a definite threat to heterosexuality and masculinity in general... and thus a threat to civilization, by some weird logic. But who got all the girls back then, eh? Funny how that works...
  But yes, the whole queer thing is definitely very fashionable these days; can't say I'm opposed to people "coming out" and/or fighting for acceptance (a person's sexuality is none of my damn business), but the whole fad is pretty silly. As far as kids being "turned" goes, if a kid comes out of the closet and thanks some pop star for inspiring him/her to do so, it's because the kid is gay, not because of some nefarious scheme, IMHO. I think the notion that the Western world used to be "straighter" is probably a myth- many people hid their true selves back in the day, and led miserable lives as a result.
Uhh.. and BTW, don't think I've heard any of these "Walrus" covers, but I bet they really can't touch the original!! Grin
 

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Don't get me wrong Rotty. I played drums for a while with the resident group in a well-known gay bar in Brighton back in the early 60s. This was when it was illegal, although Brighton has always been tolerant of minorities. It was very different then & I became friendly with many of the regulars (of both genders), some of whom were very talented musicians & often sat in with the group. The main difference in those days was that although proud of what they were they didn't flaunt it as being cool or try converting me or anyone else to their way of life. They accepted me for what I was in the same way I accepted them. I can't help it but I find this aspect of the modern "gay culture" extremely offensive. I don't go around trying to prove how cool it is to be heterosexual so why do they insist on flaunting their sexual preference at every opportunity? Maybe it doesn't bother young people so much.

There have always been gay musicians & always will be. I never thought of the Beatles or Stones being gay myself despite their long hair. Because of them long har was fashionable & even I had it once although it never suited my naturally curly hair. The Stones were promoted as being the rough bad boys of rock but any young girl would have been proud to take one of those nice Beatles home to Mum. She would have to be careful as Mum probably fancied them too. Wink

PS. As for converting kids, I know a gay man who reckons he could seduce any married man he wished. In fact he's proud of it, although I think he's kidding himself. He's not the best looking or most pleasant person I've ever met & that's an understatement. Roll Eyes
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Didn't figure you for a gay-basher, just getting my two cents' worth in there. Some very special people in my life have been in that marginalized camp... as for the reaction to the "moptops" of that era, I guess it was more of a big deal here. Even the Beatles were considered fruity freaks by the crewcut contingent when they first came ashore in the States- especially down South!
  Y'know, with curly hair, you could've gone with a fabulous Afro back then.... Cheesy Cheesy!!! Like Noel Redding...
 

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funny you guys should mention cover songs from our father's time  Grin Grin Grin Grin

My band an myself are work on a cover of innagoddadavida by iron buterfly.

All we have at the moment is the Main part of the opening. and only in guitar.

here:
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