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Feb 9^th, 2005 at 6:18pm

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What are your views on Styx's version of the Beatles Hit?

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Reply #1 - Feb 9^th, 2005 at 10:59pm

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First of all, its my opinion that Styx is the worst band ever to record a track. Everytime I hear one of their songs I cringe and its stuck in my head and I hate it. So I don't think they did the song justice. Just my opinion though. Roll Eyes

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Reply #2 - Feb 10^th, 2005 at 5:24am

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Where's 'I don't give a damn'?

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Reply #3 - Feb 10^th, 2005 at 4:46pm

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No where near as awesomely cool as the Beatle's version.

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Reply #4 - Feb 10^th, 2005 at 6:12pm

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There are some bands who's songs should not be redone by another band. The Beatles are one. Pink Floyd are another.

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Reply #5 - Feb 11^th, 2005 at 5:09pm

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There are some bands who's songs should not be redone by another band. The Beatles are one. Pink Floyd are another.

I wish I had a gun for every band that has reproduced a Beatles or Pink floyd song. I heared one band singing another brick in the wall on the radio. It sucked ass and it was odvious that they didn't get it

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Reply #6 - Feb 11^th, 2005 at 6:51pm

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Well I don't suppose the composers object very strongly. I have to agree on Pink Floyd as their stuff is very personal & I doubt anyone else could do it justice. But as for the Beatles, they were songwriters & wrote songs specifically for other artists as well as themselves. These people aren't some sort of gods just because they happened to be popular & made a few hit records. I remember some years ago Paul McCartney proudly saying that over 100 different artists (including Frank Sinatra & Mantovani) had recorded Yesterday. It's probably a lot more than that now. This is the dream of any real songwriter & means they've been accepted. I've said before & I still believe it, there's far too much inverted snobbery about pop music & this seems worse now than I ever remember. In the end it's just another form of entertainment. Don't take this stuff so seriously. Wink

PS. Before someone takes offence I use the term "pop music" in its original context - popular music. That's all it is.

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Reply #7 - Feb 12^th, 2005 at 1:20pm

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Well I don't suppose the composers object very strongly. I have to agree on Pink Floyd as their stuff is very personal & I doubt anyone else could do it justice. But as for the Beatles, they were songwriters & wrote songs specifically for other artists as well as themselves. These people aren't some sort of gods just because they happened to be popular & made a few hit records. I remember some years ago Paul McCartney proudly saying that over 100 different artists (including Frank Sinatra & Mantovani) had recorded Yesterday. It's probably a lot more than that now. This is the dream of any real songwriter & means they've been accepted. I've said before & I still believe it, there's far too much inverted snobbery about pop music & this seems worse now than I ever remember. In the end it's just another form of entertainment. Don't take this stuff so seriously. Wink

There is a difference between rerecording a song by another band and producing a song written by another band. With the Beatles, what they wrote and recorded themselves was usually done in a way that's impossible to better.

As for Pink Floyd, I've heard "Wish You Were Here" with a rap in the middle which ruined it completely and "Comfortably Numb" to what sounded like the tune of "Staying Alive" and for that I curse the Scissor Sistors.

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Reply #8 - Feb 12^th, 2005 at 2:00pm

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If the truth be known I very much doubt that any of those 60s artists you hold in such high regard expected their music to last for a year at the most. They would have been very surprised & probably delighted to think that it would be popular with young people 40 years later. I reckon anything that helps introduce others to music of any description is no bad thing.

As for Ruptured Duck's remark that "they didn't get it", are you sure that you get it? People put their own interpretations on songs (& art in general) that usually turn out to be completely wrong. In one example the words of the Eagles' "Hotel California" were associated with the political situation in Greece & it became very popular in that country because of it. In fact the Eagles had never visited Greece & knew nothing of the political situation there.

PS. If I recall correctly "I Am The Walrus" was written during the Beatles LSD period. It sounds like a typical John Lennon song but I doubt that even he could have told you what it was all about. Roll Eyes

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Reply #9 - Feb 12^th, 2005 at 3:46pm

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As a matter of interest I just found out the kids from Islington Green School that sang on Pink Floyd's "Another Brick in the Wall" are suing for royalties. http://www.contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/mndwebpages/pink%20floyd%20kids%20su...

By coincidence they just played the record on BBC Radio 2 & the DJ mentioned it.

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Reply #10 - Feb 13^th, 2005 at 5:43pm

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As a matter of interest I just found out the kids from Islington Green School that sang on Pink Floyd's "Another Brick in the Wall" are suing for royalties. http://www.contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/mndwebpages/pink%20floyd%20kids%20su...

By coincidence they just played the record on BBC Radio 2 & the DJ mentioned it.

thats pitiful, sueing for $350 dollars each. Seems like It wouldn't be worth it. But who am I to judge? I would take that money in a heartbeat

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Reply #11 - Feb 14^th, 2005 at 7:21am

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Probably the session rate + interest. I'm surprised it was that much. I remember the session drummer* on "A Whiter Shade of Pale", which became one of the biggest hits in the 60s saying he got £25 for it. He reckoned this wasn't bad at all as it was regular work without any hassle. If he did 5 sessions per day it wasn't bad money. Besides that the records weren't guaranteed to be a hit so in most cases he was better off than the musicians in the groups.

*PS. Apparently Bill Eyden although I always thought it was Kenny Clare. Procul Harum was a studio band when the hit recording was made & the group was formed afterwards to go out on tour. This wan't uncommon so the musicians you saw on stage were probably not the ones on the recordings. Not many drummers, even famous names in the well-known established groups, played on the recordings, mainly to save expensive studio time. A lot of those 60s hit records feature the same drummers & other session musicians. One of the top session guitarists, Big Jim Sullivan, still lives locally & often performs in the local pubs. He sometimes jams with another local musician, Herbie Flowers who played bass on many of them. Clem Cattini, ex Johnny Kidd & the Pirates (Shakin' All Over) & the Tornados (Telstar), probably played on more British hit records in the 60s than any other drummer.

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Reply #12 - Feb 14^th, 2005 at 5:54pm

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Topic: I am the Walrus
Reply: no you are not

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Reply #13 - Feb 14^th, 2005 at 7:22pm

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Topic: I am the Walrus
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Wouldn't surprise me if at least one of 'em played on that too. Wink

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Reply #14 - Feb 14^th, 2005 at 11:06pm

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I do not claim to be the Walrus
I AM Le singe fâché!
ALL FEAR THE ANGRY MONKEY!

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