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Who am I? (Read 1450 times)
Feb 4
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, 2005 at 10:46pm
SilverFox441
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No pic on this one...it's a little bit harder. The object is to guess what the plane is based on a little teaser of information:
1. I once competed against the CF-100
Canuck
for a major contract, and won.
2. Like the CF-100, I ended up serving long past the time when I couldn't carry out my original mission...and I served doing the same thing the CF-100 did (amongst others)!
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Feb 4
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Beaker
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Ratzafratz, the only other country I know of that had interest in the Clunk was Belgium.
It was replaced by the Starfighter, so I don't suppose you're talking about the Zipper?
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Feb 4
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To my knowledge the CF-100 never competed against the '104. Belguim did operate the Clunk for a while though.
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Feb 5
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, 2005 at 12:31am
Beaker
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Hmmm, was it the Canberra?
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Feb 5
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Yes it was.
The Canberra competed against a number of planes to provide a jet-powered replacement for the A-26 Invader. Only existing types were accepted for the competition, which lead to a comparison of the B-45 Tornado, AJ-1 Savage, B-51, CF-100 and EE Canberra.
Canberra went on to become the license built Martin B-57. The CF-100 and the Canberra were the long term survivors...both types serving as EW training platforms long after their front line duties were taken over by younger types.
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Feb 5
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, 2005 at 3:10am
Beaker
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You know that was just a shot in the dark.
I took a good long look at some Clunk pictures, and thought to myself what jet it most resembled.
Then BAM! I think Canberra.
Would have certainly been interesting to see a CF-100 in USAF markings.
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Feb 5
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, 2005 at 8:47am
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You know Silverfox, the only reason why the Canberra wasn't retired was because there was no other aircraft to take over the roles it performed and do them as well as the Canberra. So the bit about no longer being able to perform it's mission is false.
Woodlouse2002 PITA and BAR!!!!!!!!&&&&Our Sovereign Lord the King chargeth and commandeth all persons, being assembled, immediately to disperse themselves, and peaceably to depart to their habitations, or to their lawful business, upon the pains contained in the Act made in the first year of King George the First for preventing tumults and riotous assemblies. God Save the King.&&&&Viva la revolution!
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Feb 5
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, 2005 at 9:30am
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The Canberra is still in service with the RAF now. Not many left now but they've given faithful service in one form or another since May 1951. That's over 50 years & possibly a record for any military aircraft.
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Feb 5
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The Canberra is still in service with the RAF now. Not many left now but they've given faithful service in one form or another since May 1951. That's over 50 years & possibly a record for any military aircraft.
Doesn't the RAF still fly Hurricanes and Spitfires
and the FAA a Stringbag? They're still giving "faithful service" ...
(I can just imagine the shock and awe of the guerillas around Basra as they get a rocket attack from a Stringbag!) What's next, reflying the Afghan Hinds back in-country?
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Feb 5
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, 2005 at 10:40am
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Doesn't the RAF still fly Hurricanes and Spitfires
and the FAA a Stringbag? They're still giving "faithful service"
The only difference is that the service hasn't been continuous front line I suppose...
If you think about it you have several historic types still operating with military serials (in the UK)...
2 (soon 3) Swordfish, Sea Fury, Sea Hawk, Chipmunk (3 at least), Beaver, Austers, Dakota, Harvard, Spits and 2 Hurricanes, 2 Meteors (Martin Baker) and the 39 Sqn Canberras. The oldest in continuous use is probably the Harvard, which is still in pretty much stock 1942 condition, with very few modifications. The rest have been out of use at some stage or the other, or like the Canberra, are relatively young, having only been built in the mid to late 50s...
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Feb 5
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I was thinking mainly of front-line types, specifically jets.
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The oldest in continuous use is probably the Harvard, which is still in pretty much stock 1942 condition, with very few modifications.
I was very surprised when you mentioned this recently & the notorious ground loop incident. I had no idea that Harvard was still in service. It's possibly the same one W/Cdr Ken Wallis used to fly into Shoreham back in the 60s when he was developing his gyrocopter. He was based at Boscombe Down at the time.
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Feb 5
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If one considers aircraft like the C-47 (and I include the turbine engined conversions, such as those by Basler) that has been continuously in (non-ceremonial) military service practically since it's inception.. I would add the An-2 (and variants) to this "I refuse to retire" list.
It seems that every once in a while there comes an airplane that just refuses to realize it's obsolete, and convinces everyone else around it, only because no other "replacement" can do the work as efficiently.
While the Stringbag's front line service ended quickly after the war, it actually survived its "replacement", the Albacore.
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Feb 5
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, 2005 at 11:39am
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I do believe that these day's the first aircraft to be placed aboard a newly commissioned Royal Navy carrier is in fact a Swordfish.
Woodlouse2002 PITA and BAR!!!!!!!!&&&&Our Sovereign Lord the King chargeth and commandeth all persons, being assembled, immediately to disperse themselves, and peaceably to depart to their habitations, or to their lawful business, upon the pains contained in the Act made in the first year of King George the First for preventing tumults and riotous assemblies. God Save the King.&&&&Viva la revolution!
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I do believe that these day's the first aircraft to be placed aboard a newly commissioned Royal Navy carrier is in fact a Swordfish.
You're kidding- a 'Stringbag'? Glad to hear it; I love those old monsters. They certainly proved themselves aginst the German Fleet in WWII!
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Feb 5
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, 2005 at 4:03pm
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The B-52 will probably go down as the champion of "hanging around" long after it's supposed demise.
Some of the current plans show the '52 still in service as much as 100 years after it's prototype first flew!
It's actually fascinating to watch how some planes soldier on...they reach a point where the only acceptable replacement is another version of the same plane.
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Feb 6
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, 2005 at 8:47am
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The B-52 will probably go down as the champion of "hanging around" long after it's supposed demise.
Some of the current plans show the '52 still in service as much as 100 years after it's prototype first flew!
But thats different. The B52's arn't the same ones as were made in the 50's and 60's. The Canberra's are.
Woodlouse2002 PITA and BAR!!!!!!!!&&&&Our Sovereign Lord the King chargeth and commandeth all persons, being assembled, immediately to disperse themselves, and peaceably to depart to their habitations, or to their lawful business, upon the pains contained in the Act made in the first year of King George the First for preventing tumults and riotous assemblies. God Save the King.&&&&Viva la revolution!
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Feb 6
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But thats different. The B52's arn't the same ones as were made in the 50's and 60's. The Canberra's are.
The last B-52 (new) production was in
1962
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Feb 6
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, 2005 at 2:40pm
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The last B-52 (new) production was in 1962.
Sssssssssshhhhhhh.
Woodlouse2002 PITA and BAR!!!!!!!!&&&&Our Sovereign Lord the King chargeth and commandeth all persons, being assembled, immediately to disperse themselves, and peaceably to depart to their habitations, or to their lawful business, upon the pains contained in the Act made in the first year of King George the First for preventing tumults and riotous assemblies. God Save the King.&&&&Viva la revolution!
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Feb 6
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, 2005 at 3:03pm
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The last B-52 (new) production was in
1962
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Doesn't matter - Canberra's far better looking anyway
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Feb 6
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Doesn't matter - Canberra's far better looking anyway
No challenge from me, there. The only question is - which mark is the best looking of all!
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Feb 6
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Probably on of the early ones. The RAF T4 in the Prototype colours was nice (this is now the only T4 the RAF has servicable after the tragic crash at Marham in Septamber)...
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/643663/M/
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/267856/M/
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Feb 6
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, 2005 at 7:44pm
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My favourite was always the "big wing" RB-57D.
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Feb 7
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My favourite was always the "big wing" RB-57D.
As always, ruining a beautiful aeroplane...
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Feb 7
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As always, ruining a beautiful aeroplane...
Agreed. Much like my feelings for the clipped & extended wing variants of the Spitfire.
I always found it strange that the original Canberra's low aspect-ratio wing was very efficient at high altitude. Contrary to what I would expect there was nothing in the world to touch it at the time. I was reading that RAF Canberras were flying unofficial & very hush-hush recon missions over the USSR long before the RB-57 or U-2 were available.
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Feb 7
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The original Canberra was a great plane for altitude...but the threat developed and something more was needed, enter the RB-57.
I can't support any Avon engined variant of the Canberra for a simple reason...cartridge start. I hated even being around the things...just the idea gives me the willies.
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Feb 7
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I can't support any Avon engined variant of the Canberra for a simple reason...cartridge start. I hated even being around the things...just the idea gives me the willies.
Smoke and bangs, thats almost fireworks. What more could one want...
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Feb 8
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I didnt know the B-52 was even concieved one hundred years ago.....
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Feb 8
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Maybe a little OT, but the Lockheed C-130 has been in production for 50 years and still going strong.
Jim (proud Lockheed employee
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Maybe a little OT, but the Lockheed C-130 has been in production for 50 years and still going strong.
But again, it's bl**dy ugly!
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