Go down to the bottom of this forum and read through the "CFS3 or PF?" thread there.

If you like IL2 better then fine. Just don't look upon it as a reason to start jumping all over CFS3.

Reason, beside CFS3 having better graphics engine, better flightmodels, open architecture etc etc pp and inspite of the bugs it shure has, is that we don't have as many idiots like yourself spamming boards with meaningless posts like yours.

Well James, there is no reason to be polite either when the same kind of trolls post the ever same type of spam over and over.
Just look one page back, the same topic fills 10 pages.
It's as simple as that, if you don't like a Sim stay away from it but seems our fellows from "the other game" are on some sort of missionary trip to heal the evil CFS3 world

BTW, Mission Builder is available at http://www.microsoft.com/games/combatfs3/

Ah, I was not intending to bash the product.  If I were to bash it, I would go to MS to bash it.  I was just trying to get opinions on a purely academic level in order to answer curiosity I had based on my own experiences with the two sims.  In the process I also learned about enhancements to help improve CFS 3 to such effect that I re-installed it in anticipation of trying out these enhancements.  I find merrit in competing platforms all the time.  Over at the civil side I enjoy both FS 2002/2004 and Xplane 7xx.  They both have their good points and bad as well and I appreciate both for what they offer.  Also, last time I tried CFS 3 was with my old computer a year ago now.  It was a p3 800 with 512 ram and a 64 meg nvidia. I now have a athlon 2800 clocked to 2,3 ghz, 1 gig of ram and a 6600 GT.  After I re-installed CFS 3 I did some free flight and the performance was great.  I still prefer clickable cockpits I plan to invest in goflight controls or xkeys.  I am sure that wold take some of the game feeling out of using the keyboard.

Well, I certainly wouldn't mean to impune the people who really love the CFS 3 sim.  A lot of guys impune Xplane which I like as well as MSFS but I don't take it personally.  If you did by my opening post here then please forgive me.  I did learn some things available for CFS 3 that may make it more agreeable to my liking.  Afterall, its all about the fun of flying and the fascination of the machines that fly.  We all share that.

As I said to Mathias, if anyone took my criticism of the sim personally, please forgive me.  I didn't realize people would take it that way. Sorry.

Yall may find this of interest.

http://www.medairwar.com



Will Hunter speaking of the MAW project:

Oh, it is much, much more than an addon. It is a whole new combat flight sim. A stand alone, separate installation to your original ETO CFS3. A completely new theatre and that already looks far superior to the old CFS3 scenery. Some of the best quality 3D Max modellers in the world are building for it. I reckon at the time of release there will be fifty or more new aircraft, at least. All of them will have the lastest upgraded 1% flight dynamics and damage models from those 'experten' at AvHistory.

Fox is making the best visual FX I've ever seen. You should see his sand storms!

At the moment there are lots of ground facilities appearing. Many realistic buildings and even stuff like Bedouin tents with rugs. I've seen pictures of The Grand Harbour at Valetta in Malta that are mouth watering.

There will be flocks of birds in MAW. Soldiers in shorts rolling cigarettes, fighting battles, dropping by parachute out of Ju52s or Dakotas. Male and female civilians walking around, carts pulled by donkeys and horses, mules working treadmills. Farms with cows, (Frisian breed in Southern Europe, Kuri longhorn breed in North Africa) sheep, pigs, goats, wells, windmills, people riding bicycles and motor bikes, driving trucks, cars, tanks which the player will be able to drive as well. You will be able to 'drive' British, German, Italian, and American motor torpedo boats and fight battles on the Mediterranean Sea with torps, depth charges and guns. Yep, you can even try and sink the submarines! (Thanks to Greg Law who has already contributed an extraordinary amount of of things for MAW and just keeps 'pulling more and more rabbits out of his hat'.

Hopefully we'll be able to get farm animals animated so they will scatter like real livestock if you fly low over their paddocks. Maybe we'll get Guy (Fox) to make a dung FX so the cattle can raise their tails drop a load every so often!

All the new aircraft are a quantum leap forward from most of what has so far appeared. Excellent virtual cockpits, turrets, and other interiors. Recently saw a screenie looking down the insides of a Savioa-Marchetti SM79 fuselage with two waist gunners bashing away at Hurricanes or Gladiators. Gee, it looked great. We have a sizable collection in our Italian contingent who are doing some incredibly beautiful looking Regia Aeronautica aircraft, ships and many other details.

The Hurricanes are looking totally fantastic now. They have undergone an amazing evolution. Originally started by Partrick Didier. Then worked on by Mathias - new virtual cockpit. Winjeel took it over then and remodelled the wings so they look right. Leading edges fixed up and modeled landing lights. Winjeel has also produced Sea Hurricanes with animated landing hooks.

You'll see every version of Hurricane ever used in the Med, even the Mk.IID 'Tin Opener' with 40mm Vickers 'S' guns. Bravo 4 has been pouring out some of the best and most realistic skins I've ever seen for all these Hurris.

Ed Wilson has done some amazing looking P-40s, Steve Sybolt's got Stukas and lot's of other great stuff - armoured vehicles, PT boats, Dorniers and more. Fantastic Messerschmitts and Focke-Wulfs all new, Josh's done some new tropical Spits and Sea Spits. There are lots and lots of other things. Some I'm not even allowed to mention because we want to give people a few surprises.

I know that it's difficult to wait on something like this but it's a gigantic project and even with the forty or so people on the Desert Rats team working away madly on it, this kind of thing takes time. I'm sure you'll get your 'hot little hands' on it this year but it is silly for me to make an estimate as none of us really know ourselves. People are coming up with new ideas all the time.

Believe me, you won't be disappointed. Just be patient.

Will.

Looks like a new system will be needed for that addon...

Excellent.

I am partial to our CFS3 version...but then I expect y'all knew that 



BEAR

We all disagree about a lot of stuff, if we didn't these places would be very boring.

That being said a troll's post is the verbal equivalent of a chum slick. Do trawlers use chum slicks or just a big open mouthed net?

BEAR

There is actually a workaround for that multi engined thing in FB.  Im sure all of you know my preference and why so I wont go into that. The biggest crime with CFS was that with the resouces MS has at it's disposal there is no reason for CFS3 to have been the way it was. Imagine where it could be if there were a better product to begin with. They had a huge opportunity and blew it in a huge way. All of you have to admit..... that out of the box and with the infamous patch that MS so graciously laid on it's customers.... CFS3 absolutely sucked. If you took just developer stuff for both sims there is no real contest between the two. If not for the hard work of some very talented people some of the folks here included... I dont think any of you would have even stuck around this long. I think CFS2 was the best WW2 sim MS produced. Gary.... you know it wasnt very nice to come over here and stir the pot..... 

I just joined this forum because of this thread and I'd like to share what I've learned.  I have all of the CFS series and all of the IL2 series up to and including Ace Expansion Pak.  I only recently upgraded my system to run CFS 3 effectively.  My favorite CFS is stilll the original.  I do however like the IL2 series, but with reservations. Right now I'm just beginning to understand how good CFS3 really is.  My biggest gripe with the IL2 series is the flight dynamics of the aircraft.  It seems the designers went out of their way to make the aircraft difficult to fly.  In fact if the real aircraft were as cantankerous as the IL2 aircraft there would never have been an air war on the grounds that the aircraft were nearly useless to dogfight with.  I find it especially annoying that the Russian fighters seem to out perform the German fighters even though the German planes were historically superior.  I got Ace Expansion Pak because I wanted a Ta 152 H1, its my favorite WW2 fighter.  The 152 in AEPK barely performs on par with a BF 109 and does not come anywhere near the performance figurers of the real airplane.   The Jets are hardly any better.  All in all the IL series does require some skill but I find the scenery gets old pretty quickly and the muzzle flash and bullet smoke streams downright silly.

As for CFS3 the aircraft at least fly well enough even though the AI planes sometimes seem to be less than intellegent in their flight dynamics.  And Of course the scenery potential in CFS 3 is second to none right now.  I'm hoping that MS will do a CFS4 with the theme closer to the first CFS.