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Jan 25th, 2005 at 6:41pm

FLFlyGuy   Offline
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Hi all....just a little advice requested since this is my first Pentium build in many, many years....been using AMD for the longest.

The instructions with the processor (3.4 GHz) advise and seem to stress that you wear gloves (in print anyhow....in the diagrams they show bare fingers!..??), more so than AMD instructions....I don't recall any AMD  instructions (2000+ 2600+ and 3200+) ever mentioning gloves...

Is this something that P4's are more easily damaged or succeptible to finger oils, etc, than AMDs or just blow it off and put it together like I would an AMD?  

Just wanted to make sure since this is a tad out of my normal building knowledge...

P4 Processor 550, 3.4 GHz, 1MB L2 Cache, 800 Mhz FSB
Intel D915PBL
2 GB of DDR533 ram
to be determined Video Card

Should be really nice for FS2004, and Adobe Premiere, which is its #1 purpose, and I wanted to try a nice Intel system for that.....expect to get better performance using Adobe...maybe a little with FS2004 compared to my current:

XP 3200+
Biostar M7NCD Ultra M/B
1 GB DDR
Radeon 9800 Pro.  

Not sure which video card...6600GT or X600 XT only wanna spend $200-250....any advice on this appreciated also.

Thanks!
 
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Reply #1 - Jan 26th, 2005 at 1:30am

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Yes, intel are excellent for video encoding and multimedia. Trust me. I deal with avid, premiere and after effects all the time.

As for installation, I've never had to wear gloves installing those processors...AMD or intel. It shouldn't be a problem. Just be practical (like make sure your hands aren't covered in mud or wet, etc.)

I do suggest a static mat though.

As for your vid card, I suggest the 6600 gt over the x600 mainly because the x600 did horribly in benchmarks and the 6600 offers the best performence for its price.

However, I want to bring this to your attention that for vid editing and other related tasks (like animation with Maya or XSI; or like hardcore effects like After Effects), I would not buy either of those. Instead, I would invest in a Opengl accelerated card like an nvidia quattro or an ati firegl or a 3dlabs realizism card. These cards render video like a hot knife goes through butter.

Unfortuately, these opengl cards aren't meant for gaming (even though most games are designed on them), so if fs9 is a must, then I recommend against it.

BTW, if you do decide to get an opengl card, I can recommend some for you.
 

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Reply #2 - Jan 26th, 2005 at 2:39am

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Thanks the_autopilot.

I just can't justify the price of some of those cards you mentioned......maybe later, what I need now is basically what I have....

My 9800 Pro performs well enough on my current system...so I'd expect at least that, but also an improvement with either of those cards I mentioned on my new system as everything is larger and faster (256 MB on the video card coupled with the faster processor, L2 1MB Cache, PCIExpress Slot, DDR2 Memory, larger FSB)....should be a great improvement?  Also looking forward to the Intel's stability...

Anyhow, ideal set up would be to build this P4 with one of those OpenGL cards, and then upgrade my AMD system for gaming......just what I need....more money to spend on computers   Grin

Please do recommend the OpenGL cards, and approximate price if you know it....Thanks!
 
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Reply #3 - Jan 26th, 2005 at 11:14pm

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My 9800 Pro performs well enough on my current system...so I'd expect at least that, but also an improvement with either of those cards I mentioned on my new system as everything is larger and faster (256 MB on the video card coupled with the faster processor, L2 1MB Cache, PCIExpress Slot, DDR2 Memory, larger FSB)....should be a great improvement?  Also looking forward to the Intel's stability...

Yes, definite improvement. And yes, intel's are highly stable. However, make sure to have a good PSU. Intel CPU's begin to wavers as the power they get decreases even by the smallest bit.

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Anyhow, ideal set up would be to build this P4 with one of those OpenGL cards, and then upgrade my AMD system for gaming......just what I need....more money to spend on computers   Grin

Yep, thats what i do. Two AMD's for gaming and the rest of comps are all intels.

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Please do recommend the OpenGL cards, and approximate price if you know it....Thanks!

Sure. And just so you know, the technical term of these cards is workstation-class cards.


ATI cards (FireGL):
ATI cards are lower-end cards. They're the cheapest of the lot. They're good as beginner cards.  They have most of the functions nessasary for high-end gfx like Avid or XSI. However, due to their rather powerless GPU's, they have extremely long render times. this is ok for the "average" (many digital artists use these cards for their own home use) user but for business, is generally unacceptable.
Word of Caution: AGP FireGL cards are a bit aged, so go with the PCI-e cards. If you have the money for a workstation class card, a PCI-e mobo should be within your price range.

ATi cards are very cheap with their flagship model selling about about 800 bucks.
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=14-102-468&depa=1

Nvidia Cards (Quattro):
Nvidia sells two variations of this model. The NVS and the FX. The NVS is a 2d card. I have found no use for it whatsoever when i bought it; I didn't lose any money, these cards are cheap at around 200 bucks.
The FX is a mainstream 3d workstation card. It has all the features you'll need. This is a extremely good card confirmed by benchmarks and by my own testing and animation projects. It however is not cheap.
A list of FX cards can be found here:
http://www.nvidia.com/page/quadrofx_family.html
There are too many to list, but I would aviod anythign below a fx1100.
I have personally used the fx3400 and i can't complain. Awesome gfx power. Its sheer processing power can even be compared to the latest intel prescotts. It actually has more transisters than an intel p4 540.
The fx4400 isn't out yet, so i can't tell you much about it except it will kick ass and then some. Keep in mind also that SLI is supported (or will be). So you can have two of these later on.

Even a simulation of an incompressible fluid in CAD works fine (though such simulations are CPU-intensive, gfx power is still a major factor).

However, again, performence comes at a price.
This is the currently best fx card (until the 4400 comes out) and it'll set you back by about 1500 USD.
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=14-133-121&depa=1

3dlabs (Realizm):
The Overlord. Once I switched to these cards, I couldn't go back. I personally bought a Realizm 800, the flagship (and the only PCI-e) card of 3dlabs. This card puts  my oldest computer to shame ( a 3.06 ghz intel w/1gig RAM).
This card is card is gfx gold...no...diamond.  The love I have for it cannot be expressed in words.
However, its comes at a steep price.
About 2,300 for the realizm 800.
http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_getprod.php/masterid=6199881
I actually bought it for slightly more.
Even 3dlab's lower-end product (which is AGP btw) is excelent, but still exspensive, about 560:
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-124-113&depa=1

Well, there you go. Hope this helps you out.
 

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Reply #4 - Jan 26th, 2005 at 11:27pm

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Oh, and I forgot to mention this as well.

If you plan on buying the higher end nvdia cards or the 3dlabs cards, make sure you get a workstation class CPU like an AMD Opteron or an Intel Xeon.

Word of Caution, the Opterons beat the Xeons by quite a bit in performence in benchmarks and are cheapers. I con't confirm those benchmarks because I only use opterons, but I'm sure they are accurate as I have no compliants about performence.
 

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Reply #5 - Jan 27th, 2005 at 2:28pm

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P4 3.4GHz... i hope you have a VERY good cooler or it won't go over 2GHz
 

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Reply #6 - Jan 31st, 2005 at 1:55pm

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P4 3.4GHz... i hope you have a VERY good cooler or it won't go over 2GHz


I had read about the "thermal issues" with this proc...

I got a good alum Kingwin case that is built for airflow and came with three built-in fans.  Using the stock cooler that came with the chip.

Idle the proc is around 56C
Load it goes up to 69

Since the chip can handle up to 79 that seems fine...just a little annoying the fan....otherwise it's very stable and I'm happy....any recommendations for after market cooling solution to bring it down a bit?
 
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Reply #7 - Jan 31st, 2005 at 10:49pm

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I had read about the "thermal issues" with this proc...

I got a good alum Kingwin case that is built for airflow and came with three built-in fans.  Using the stock cooler that came with the chip.

Idle the proc is around 56C
Load it goes up to 69

Since the chip can handle up to 79 that seems fine...just a little annoying the fan....otherwise it's very stable and I'm happy....any recommendations for after market cooling solution to bring it down a bit?



Try a zalaman copper core cooler.
 

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