1: Smarter AI

2: Wingmen that are bombers will do a bomb run

3: Navaids with VOR/DME and NDB guages on aircraft panels 8)

4: CFS1 file form of radio communications (wav, not gvi, gvr, gvt)

5: All Japanese action sounds are radio, not that loud, deep voice.

6: Bug/glitch-free ground troops ( Nibbio's ones make CFS2 crash like a flying brick )

7: Carriers able taking 6+ torpedo hits

8: More missions in campaigns

9: Missions other than those d:-Xmn 'aces' ones

Please continue with 10, then 11 and so on.

Regards,


Bombardier

11.   "Parachute" ordinance type..... 
eg load up your C-47 with paratroopers and drop at required point
eg carry out biscuit bombing in PNG...
eg Drop an airborne lifeboat to downed aircrew.

12.  "Glider Tow" - ability to tow / be towed .... (even swap from one to the other aka CFS3 move to gunner position until relaese). ... Arnhem here we come....

There is no & will be no CFS4 so its all pointless unless you post to a CFS3 site that the 3rd party developers use to see if your list can be added to CFS3.

BEAR - AvHistory

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Not a chance  

Beside if they were going to do it CFS3 would be better code to release

BEAR

Bear I would disagree with you most heartly. Their is no reason why we should ask CFS3 developers when CFS2 have very capable developers of their own. Thats very insulting if you ask me.

While CFS3 is a nice Simulator it also a very limit one. I doubt that getting the code will make it possible for developers in incorporate a world map into it.

The developement of CFS2 is much greater than CFS3 as ever acheived.

Now with Stiz Texures CFS2 sceneries are almost as good as CFS3.

You will get more planes ,Theaters of war, and more possibilities with CFS2 than you ever get with CFS3.

Iam sorry but MS missed the mark with CFS3 and I hope they make up to us by giving us  the code for CFS2.

Bear I know you love the European Theater of war. But I rather have the whole war Simulated than just one Theater of war.

I beleive Iam not alone in this sentiment. Why do you think more people who have the Pacific Fighter program  merge with the Forgotten ace Package than the stand alone version.Its because most people I beleive want the different experience from differrent Theaters of war.

Would it not be nice to deffend Midway one day and going escort B17s over Berlin on next following day. Thats simply not possible with CFS3.

No CFS3 was developed to represent one Theater and that was great disappoinment. After giving us the possibility of making missions and campaigns all over the world its not possible to make me happy with one Thearter alone.  It does not matter weather it be the Pacific or the European theater.

If MS want to make us happy I hope they give us the code for CFS2.

I do like CFS3 but CFS2 is simply better.

Thankyou
James007

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As I said. Because it's basically the same code as they're using with FS9 and no doubt will use for FS10.

CFS2 can run on my computer with good frame rates (over 50) whislt CFS3 struggles to get 30fps so i'm sticking with CFS2 for a long time yet and thats why they should realese the code  selfish i know but they shoulda made CFS3 better 

Stiz

Good point but CFS3 dosen't "feel" that real to me. Even with WMs scenery and Fox's effects etc. CFS2 has the feel of what it might have been like in WW2....WW1...Korea etc. Also dare i say it.......CFS2 has more...depth...then CFS3.

I can aggree that in 2-4 years time CFS3 will be a smashing sim but not at this present moment in time.

Guess its just a matter of opion though.

Stiz

CFS3 has always looked awful on my system.  I can barely run it at 800X600 16Bit and then I get choppy frame rates and mini-freezes when I fire my guns.

I need a new system lol.

CFS2 on the other hand has an annoying mission system in that if you fail to shoot down a ridiculous number of enemy A/C you fail the mission.  You have to perfom like David McCampbell (USN Ret) on a good day everytime you take off.  The CFS3 system is far better in that your Wingmens victories count towards mission goals.

What I would like to see for CFS4 is the entire world modelled like the FS world.  You select the date and the combat type is adjusted by the date.  It would cover from the first military a/c in about 1912 up to modern computer controlled systems.  Using the CFS3 campaign system it would be easier to simulate Pattons assault on Soviet Russia in 1945, or the aftermath of the nuclear conflict in Korea in 1955.

Will

This might be of interest.

http://www.medairwar.com

Will Hunter speaking of the MAW project:

Oh, it is much, much more than an addon. It is a whole new combat flight sim. A stand alone, separate installation to your original ETO CFS3. A completely new theatre and that already looks far superior to the old CFS3 scenery. Some of the best quality 3D Max modellers in the world are building for it. I reckon at the time of release there will be fifty or more new aircraft, at least. All of them will have the lastest upgraded 1% flight dynamics and damage models from those 'experten' at AvHistory.

Fox is making the best visual FX I've ever seen. You should see his sand storms!

At the moment there are lots of ground facilities appearing. Many realistic buildings and even stuff like Bedouin tents with rugs. I've seen pictures of The Grand Harbour at Valetta in Malta that are mouth watering.

There will be flocks of birds in MAW. Soldiers in shorts rolling cigarettes, fighting battles, dropping by parachute out of Ju52s or Dakotas. Male and female civilians walking around, carts pulled by donkeys and horses, mules working treadmills. Farms with cows, (Frisian breed in Southern Europe, Kuri longhorn breed in North Africa) sheep, pigs, goats, wells, windmills, people riding bicycles and motor bikes, driving trucks, cars, tanks which the player will be able to drive as well. You will be able to 'drive' British, German, Italian, and American motor torpedo boats and fight battles on the Mediterranean Sea with torps, depth charges and guns. Yep, you can even try and sink the submarines! (Thanks to Greg Law who has already contributed an extraordinary amount of of things for MAW and just keeps 'pulling more and more rabbits out of his hat'.

Hopefully we'll be able to get farm animals animated so they will scatter like real livestock if you fly low over their paddocks. Maybe we'll get Guy (Fox) to make a dung FX so the cattle can raise their tails drop a load every so often!

All the new aircraft are a quantum leap forward from most of what has so far appeared. Excellent virtual cockpits, turrets, and other interiors. Recently saw a screenie looking down the insides of a Savioa-Marchetti SM79 fuselage with two waist gunners bashing away at Hurricanes or Gladiators. Gee, it looked great. We have a sizable collection in our Italian contingent who are doing some incredibly beautiful looking Regia Aeronautica aircraft, ships and many other details.

The Hurricanes are looking totally fantastic now. They have undergone an amazing evolution. Originally started by Partrick Didier. Then worked on by Mathias - new virtual cockpit. Winjeel took it over then and remodelled the wings so they look right. Leading edges fixed up and modeled landing lights. Winjeel has also produced Sea Hurricanes with animated landing hooks.

You'll see every version of Hurricane ever used in the Med, even the Mk.IID 'Tin Opener' with 40mm Vickers 'S' guns. Bravo 4 has been pouring out some of the best and most realistic skins I've ever seen for all these Hurris.

Ed Wilson has done some amazing looking P-40s, Steve Sybolt's got Stukas and lot's of other great stuff - armoured vehicles, PT boats, Dorniers and more. Fantastic Messerschmitts and Focke-Wulfs all new, Josh's done some new tropical Spits and Sea Spits. There are lots and lots of other things. Some I'm not even allowed to mention because we want to give people a few surprises.

I know that it's difficult to wait on something like this but it's a gigantic project and even with the forty or so people on the Desert Rats team working away madly on it, this kind of thing takes time. I'm sure you'll get your 'hot little hands' on it this year but it is silly for me to make an estimate as none of us really know ourselves. People are coming up with new ideas all the time.

Believe me, you won't be disappointed. Just be patient.

Will.

Someone mentioned beduin tents?
Couldn't resist to put some holes into the left one with me FW190

For those who said there isn't gonna be any CFS4, I know already ! Can someone put some wishes down now ? Bless you stiz , you put something down.

Oh, I forgot Green Ghost. Bless him too, he put something down....

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LOL, he just said he would better have the CFS3 code than the CFS2 code, what on earth is insulting on it?
Been developing for CFS2 for years and can tell with some savety that each new groundcrew release has raised the bar for the others to follow
We made the switch to CFS3 when it was released because it's the better render engine, the better combat engine and the better flight model engine and it has better SDK support than CFS2 will ever have.
So saying releasing the code for CFS2 is insulting to CFS3 modellers, following your logic? LOL!

AvHistory Iam not that sensitive about you comment about your desire on wether you thought the code should release for the CFS3 instead of CFS2. That would be silly . Its only a opinion and everyone has the right to their opinion. What bother me is you insinuation that since their probably wont be a development of CFS4. We should send all our request  wishes to  the CFS3  developers.

In other words we should substitude CFS2 for CFS3. Make all our request to CFS3 developers and make CFS3 into our own CFS4.

Now I thought that was a Insult to come to the CFS2 forum and tell every member to abadon CFS2 for CFS3.

Iam sorry as good as CFS3 is. It will never replace CFS2. Maybe just maybe we member of the CFS2 forum would like to convert CFS2 into CFS4 instead.

The thing that bother me about you is not that you promote CFS3 but that you and Mathias never admit that CFS3 has many short commings as well.

I understand that that in many ways CFS3 is a better program but to say that is completely superior is nonsense.

With out CFS2 we would not have the Best Simulator representing the Pacific Theater period. While the Pacific Fighter is a dandy of a program is still incomplete and with the help of the CFS2 developers CFS2 is still better. I will not give up CFS2 for the Pacific Fighter program at this time.

Where can we Simulate World war one or the Spanish Civil war. Perhaps create our own Easter Front Theater from the Polish campaign to Berlin 1945.

We now can recreate the Night Bombing by the  British Bomber Command with the help of Stiz Sceneries and search lights soon to be available.

Can you claim to have build basically all the Significant planes involve in World two . I guess not.

Were is the World map were I can place the few Russian and Japanese planes available for CFS3.

You say the flight Models are better . I defer from that comment. I have flown Cfs2 and CFS3 and the planes feel more real than they ever felt in CFS3. Beside if you look at the planes from the exterior view. They look like they are been flown from strings like puppet plane instead of looking they are actualy flying. I now you guys are never going to be objective and will never admit to this and other weakness. But thats the way they look. Not very real.

I admit CFS2 has many short commings. Like for example no Mutiple Languages program has ever been develope for it. Maybe instead of critizing this program you should  help us in this matter. Another is our inability to use the Bomber turrents guns. Their not enough Bombsights to acomodate all the Bombers available.

This are just a few examples of its short commings. But overall CFS3 cannot and will not replace all of what CFS2 can do for the World two combat Simulator world.

They are both different and good Simulator. Just accept it . It would be better for us to join forces instead and try to make both this wonderful Simulator better.

I fly them both and I love them because they give me a different feeling whenever I fligh in them.

I hope you do not get offended by what I have said about CFS3.

You guys have done a wonderful job with both Simulator and hope you will continue. I appreciate all your good work. Thank for everything.

Thank you
Jame007

>>>What bother me is you insinuation that since their probably wont be a development of CFS4. We should send all our request  wishes to  the CFS3  developers.<<<

Its not an insinuation - its a fact, there will be NO CFS4.  Its cancelled and a lot of the development guys are no longer on the payroll & the rest are doing other things.

That being said had there been a CFS4 released its was to a build on of CFS3 which got as far as an pre alpha build.  Last time I posted any screen shots I got my wrist slapped so y'all will have to take my word for it or track down some old forum messages. 8)

If you want a CFS4 look a like if would logically have to be built on the platform that CFS4 was being built on CFS3 not CFS2

>>>In other words we should substitude CFS2 for CFS3. Make all our request to CFS3 developers and make CFS3 into our own CFS4. Now I thought that was a Insult <<<

Whatever - as I said anytime you post to a forum somebody looking to get insulted will find something to get insulted about.    

But the thing is CFS4 was basically CFS3 + new stuff not CFS2 + new stuff.


>>>It will never replace CFS2. Maybe just maybe we member of the CFS2 forum would like to convert CFS2 into CFS4 instead.<<<

See above & good luck in you quest.  Its interesting to note that your arguments read like they were copied from the CFS2 sucks - CFS1 forever threads of 5 years or so back.

>>>The thing that bother me about you is not that you promote CFS3 but that you and Mathias never admit that CFS3 has many short commings as well.<<<

If CFS3 did not have faults we would not be in the business of improving it - then again if CFS2 did not have faults we would not have been in the business of improving it either. 

Many of us have flight sim experience going back well over 15 years & every time a new sim comes out its the same old story.  But guess what each one has faded out at some point in time & new ones have replaced them.

The guys who have a problem with that are generally short on the hardware curve.

>>>I understand that that in many ways CFS3 is a better program but to say that is completely superior is nonsense.<<<

If you say do.

>>> I will not give up CFS2 for the Pacific Fighter program at this time.<<<

I am sure the Pacific Fighters guys are very sad to hear that

>>>Where can we Simulate World war one or the Spanish Civil war. Perhaps create our own Easter Front Theater from the Polish campaign to Berlin 1945.<<<

Have y'all seen the CFS3 WWI terrain including buildings, trenches, no mans land & aircraft in the "OFF" add-on









I would put some shots up of the "Dogpatch" guys Korean war theater add-on including Sabers, Migs, Spads & Yaks but this post is pretty long now.

Come to think of it even though they served in Korea I don't think the Spads were called Spads till Viet Nam.  Another theater?

>>>We now can recreate the Night Bombing by the  British Bomber Command with the help of Stiz Sceneries and search lights soon to be available.<<<

Nice to hear - Mathias developed CFS3 search-lights last year.

>>>Can you claim to have build basically all the Significant planes involve in World two . I guess not.<<<

All? - nope, not all - Over 100 of them so far?  Yes

>>>Were is the World map were I can place the few Russian and Japanese planes available for CFS3.<<<

As you know there & as I have stated before is no world map for CFS3.

There are more then a few Japanese & Russian aircraft available.  Our modest site has 11 by itself. There is even a nice collection of Italian aircraft on our site; 8 or 9 if memory serves

>>>You say the flight Models are better . I defer from that comment. I have flown Cfs2 and CFS3 and the planes feel more real than they ever felt in CFS3.<<<

I would just have to respectfully say that y'all don't have a clue about evaluating flight models & leave it at that.

Well maybe just one more thing, I would also categorically state y'all do not have the tools available to determine what is happening inside the flight model real time which is required to do the analysis.

>>>This are just a few examples of its short commings. But overall CFS3 cannot and will not replace all of what CFS2 can do for the World two combat Simulator world.<<<

Y'all got a world map we have theater maps. Can't see what difference that makes unless you are going to bomb Tokyo from Archbury.

>>>>They are both different and good Simulator. Just accept it . It would be better for us to join forces instead and try to make both this wonderful Simulator better.<<<<
 
I missed the part where I said CFS2 was a bad simulator - what I said was CFS4 was to be an extension of CFS3 & I believe CFS3 is a better platform to developed a home made CFS4.  A lot of extremely talented former CFS2 developers agree with me.  Y'all seem to be the one with in denial.

Why would I get offended you are entitled to your opinion as am I.

BEAR

Oops its 2005 not 2004.  Looks like I am living in the past.  Seems like this is a good thread for that 

BEAR

I think y'all are missing some of Mathias & my point.  

CFS & CFS2 share the same basic game engine & have a lot of commonality in the fact you can put CFS planes into CFS2.  They tend to be a little over modeled when you do but they will fly in the game. You can use the same general tools to build planes for each

CFS3 has a new game engine & the aircraft are not compatible with CFS or CFS2.

Mathias put it pretty well...look at where CFS & CFS2 are after all these years of development by some pretty dedicated guys.  Most of the things you don't have, like usable gun turrets, you will never have because the CFS/CFS2 software just can't support them.

BEAR

Those shots are great... Wish I had CFS3

This is what i think:

CFS2 out of the box = arrg to bright i need shades.
CFS2 modded = A truly awesome flight sim

CFS3 out of the box = binned untill further notice
CSF3 modded = Yea getting better....slowly
MAW, OFF and a bit of CFS3 =  outsanding

Nobody likes what comes outa the box but when it's been modded to kindom com and back its great. Cfs2 has reached that stage where as CFS3 hasn't. Thus CFS2 is the better sim.......for now.......

Stiz

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With the CFS2 stock given a nav panel or something it's actualy pretty neat. But I couldn't live without addons , lol!

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Gee bombardier, that is probably my Swordfish.
Little hint, we made a version for FS2002 as well, available here at Simviation or at our homepage
BTW, it's now flying in CFS3 as well

My main dislike of CFS3 is that stoopid camera angle - external views of planes looking like they were taken with a 17mm semi-fish eye lens attached to a pole sticking out of a wingtip.


What I don't understand is this. Why can't Microsoft or some third party developer make FS9 with guns?

J_o_J

I kind of agree, because if you had FS ATC in CFS2 it would be GREAT 8)

i would also like to see every airport in the world not just the pacific or europe but every were including chicago

BEAR

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It is something I have often wondered. I've never seen him miss an oppertunity to plug CFS3, AVhistory or Groundcrew...

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Geez, I like that picture!

Just a clarification: CFS4 was well into the alpha stage of development & was close to going to the early testers when the plug got pulled.

It was neither Korea nor Vietnam & had no carriers.

BEAR

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You would just cry if you saw how much was done before the plug got yanked.

BEAR